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Old 04-05-2005, 06:23 PM
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Default 2+2\'er gets pwned trying to slowplay (marginal content)

Just a funny hand I thought I would post. I'm pretty sure this was a 2+2'er, as his name closely resembles one from the Micro boards, but it may not be. Do you feel like fessing up to slowplaying the flopped nuts on a very draw-heavy board? Would any of you slowplayed in this situation? It's not like I was going anywhere if raised, so there wasnt much he could have done, but still, you get what I'm trying to say.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Tc Ac (straight, ace high).
CO has Kd Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 15.25 BB. </font>
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: 2+2\'er gets pwned trying to slowplay (marginal content)

I think your flop bet really really sucks, FWIW, and he played his hand pretty well.
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: 2+2\'er gets pwned trying to slowplay (marginal content)

this line's not too bad HU.

villain's line, that is...
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:27 PM
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Default Flop bet sucks?

Why is the flop bet poor? and whats a better line. I dont really understand what's wrong with it.
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: 2+2\'er gets pwned trying to slowplay (marginal content)

12 outs to the nuts with 2 cards to come, plus a bet for some information as to where I may be standing as it is. You don't like it?
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:30 PM
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Why is the flop bet poor? and whats a better line. I dont really understand what's wrong with it.

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Check-calling is the best line on the flop. Your equity is ~50% on this flop on a good day (~30% on a bad day), so what's the point of betting?

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Old 04-05-2005, 06:31 PM
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12 outs to the nuts with 2 cards to come, plus a bet for some information as to where I may be standing as it is. You don't like it?

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I hate it. The only reason you bet here is because A) you think you have the best hand, or B) you can make a better hand fold. Neither is the case here.

Rob
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:32 PM
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plus a bet for some information

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This is one of the most overused phrases and techniques in low limit hold'em. Unlearn it.
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:38 PM
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plus a bet for some information

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This is one of the most overused phrases and techniques in low limit hold'em. Unlearn it.

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This was only a small added benefit that I included with my draws. I NEVER make this as a play for the value in itself. If my equity is 50%, would the bet not be OK then as it does have a chance of making him fold (even if this chance is ~1%) it is still marginally +EV.
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: 2+2\'er gets pwned trying to slowplay (marginal content)

I don't like your flop bet. Check-call. Your "bet for information" will turn into "two bets for information" way too often.
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