a tight flop spot in the big blind hand quiz

[DeeJ]

neither villain here is much out of the ordinary. To spew forth or not to spew, that is the question.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB folds, Hero .. ?

[DeeJ]

OK, so the majority of people are going for calling. I was thinking that raising might have been the popular play to try to push him out of a draw, but his odds will be slightly better (calling 2) than mine if he's on a draw. It will be easy for him to call if he's on a draw for 1 more, but he might reraise. He would probably fold a 7 or 6 though.

Anyway, as with the vote, I called, MP2 calls behind.

Turn: (7 BB) A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (3 players) </font>
Hero .....

Action is on me with a flush draw plus now an overcard. What now for my K9?

[ALL1N]

Check-call!!

Edit - also, I think preflop is a fold. K9o 4-way?? Not very special.

[DeeJ]

probably getting 7:1 I think it's an easy call. Do I have 12.5% equity in a 4-way hand with K9o? Pokerstove gives me about 20% vs typical limping, raising &amp; sb complete-two hands.

[jayheaps]

if the players aren't out of line, this is a fold. At best you have 6 clean out and they might be for 1/2 the pot plus there are going to be redraws if you hit. I could argue for a call if you close the betting, but you don't and it may be raised behind you.

[flawless_victory]

this would be great if you were allin.

[DeeJ]

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this would be great if you were allin.

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Don't you think on the flop you can tell well enough how to play K9o to make up for the lack of position? You have reasonable relative position to the preflop raiser. How much pf equity in this scenario would you want to play a hand calling a raise in the BB?

Or is it just a matter of saying (eg here) &gt;= KJ raise, &lt;= KT fold? Very interesting to know your reasoning.

[jason_t]

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this would be great if you were allin.

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And since he's not, it'd be better if he were in position.

Stop using PokerStove to make preflop decisions!

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probably getting 7:1 I think it's an easy call. Do I have 12.5% equity in a 4-way hand with K9o? Pokerstove gives me about 20% vs typical limping, raising &amp; sb complete-two hands.

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This is why I hate when people mention pokerstove, becuz it makes people make bad decisions like calling in the BB with K9o.

[sthief09]

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probably getting 7:1 I think it's an easy call. Do I have 12.5% equity in a 4-way hand with K9o? Pokerstove gives me about 20% vs typical limping, raising &amp; sb complete-two hands.

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you're out of position with a hand that is spectacular at being second best. if only the game was as easy as preflop equity...