OOP with a nice draw

ukpokerplayer · #1 09-21-2005, 10:22 PM

Not sure how to best play hands like this OOP. Is the flop raise/ lead turn a good plan here or should I have played this any differently?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB
Main Pot: 9.25 BB, won by MP3.
Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to MP3.

Results in white below: 
MP3 doesn't show.
Outcome: MP3 wins 10.25 BB.

Cumulonimbus · #2 09-21-2005, 10:45 PM

I bet the flop, if raised, it's read-dependent, but I probably call instead of 3-bet. If called, I bet the turn. There's no need to get fancy with this nice draw in this small pot OOP, although on the flop you are a favorite almost every time.

GMan42 · #3 09-21-2005, 10:49 PM

Meh...even with all the outs, once the button folds your raise won't be for value anymore, and being OOP you can't get a free card if you want one. I suppose if you thought MP3 raised PF with a mid pocket pair or something, your flop raise and turn bet have some fold equity. Guess it depends on your read.

mdob · #4 09-21-2005, 10:51 PM

I play it the same way.
MP3 will likely autobet here against 2 players. If button folds, you have a good chance of taking the pot down on the turn against an underpair, AK, or, even, AJ. If he calls, you have a big equity edge and are getting value on your raise.

Alex/Mugaaz · #5 09-21-2005, 11:59 PM

Though it kind of doesn't matter - What are people's hand read on MP3 with his line?

Cumulonimbus · #6 09-22-2005, 02:47 AM

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Though it kind of doesn't matter - What are people's hand read on MP3 with his line?

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AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AQ, QJ, 66, even KQ sometimes. But, my money's on QQ or JJ.

Azhrarn · #7 09-22-2005, 03:15 AM

NH. I play it the same.

With a super-draw like this, you have an equity advantage on the flop against a lot of made hands (for instance, you're 55/45 against black aces.) So I like putting multiple bets in on the flop. It would be nice if button had stayed in, but since he didn't, it increases the semi-bluffing power of your hand. Since the pre-flop raiser opened just a couple off the button, he should have a fairly wide raising range, and he should be folding a lot of it to your flop cr/turn bet combo.

On the turn, your equity's gone down, but you want to bet to finish the semi-bluff combo. Unfortunately, the pre-flop raiser had a real hand.

By the way, you didn't include any reads, so I'm assuming MP3 is an average TAG. If he's very passive pre-flop, it probably would be better to play your draw more passively and not semibluff.

KDawgCometh · #8 09-22-2005, 03:24 AM

I'm looking to lead this flop, and then maybe looking to three bet it, it really all depends on what kind of read you have on the villian. I don't like the turn lead all that much, but it really isn't that big of a deal