AJs confusing hand, played too weak?

tommo · #1 06-30-2005, 08:05 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

Hero ($24.05)
MP2 ($28.15)
MP3 ($8.75)
CO ($41.3)
Button ($25.3)
SB ($25.45)
BB ($10)
UTG ($21.05)
UTG+1 ($29.25)
UTG+2 ($37.7)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises to $3, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($7.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6.

River: ($19.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG calls $11.80 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $31.05

billymonk · #2 06-30-2005, 08:24 PM

Raise preflop

tommo · #3 06-30-2005, 08:40 PM

is there really no more advice than raise pf?

billymonk · #4 06-30-2005, 09:17 PM

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is there really no more advice than raise pf?

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There is more.

You have TPTK and the nut flush draw, you have to be much more agressive then you were. I would go about it like this:

Preflop: Open for 3x or 3.5x whatever the standard amount is.

Flop: Bet 2/3 - 3/4 pot.

Those two together should give you a much better idea of where you're at then the line you took.
Given you played preflop and flop so passively, I think you have to call the turn bet (I'd like to know what peoples thoughts are on a raise), and on the river it comes down to my read on the player.

tommo · #5 06-30-2005, 09:21 PM

nothing to be said for pricing flush draws in?

amoeba · #6 06-30-2005, 09:26 PM

you don't think you are good on the river 1 time in 4?

tommo · #7 06-30-2005, 09:35 PM

yeah, this was the point I was hoping somebody would bring up, I think a river call would be a good idea

greg nice · #8 06-30-2005, 09:35 PM

you need to put him on a hand or a range of hands after he check raises you. then if you dont decide to raise all in on the flop, its a basic odds problem

xcrack999 · #9 06-30-2005, 11:57 PM

Without a read, I really don't like calling on the river. A regular NL25 player would very rarely (A LOT less than 25% of the time) check-raise that flop with 5 people in the hand unless he has TPTK beat.

BZ_Zorro · #10 07-01-2005, 12:54 AM

Don't mind the limp in your position, though I normally raise AJs too.

The problem here is calling UTG's check-raise on the flop. TPTK + nut flush draw is a monster hand. The only thing to fear here is a set, you have most hands soundly beat and a few hands even money. Reraise here and hope to get all in. You'll be ahead far more often than behind at $25NL. The only reason to dump this is if you're up against a nutpeddler or telegrapher.