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Old 09-04-2005, 08:26 AM
paulish paulish is offline
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Default Ace on the River Q

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Players sometimes say they called because of the implied odds, which takes into account action they were going to get if they made their hand. Often, they had no reason to expect they were going to get that kind of action. Also they don’t take into account if they made the hand, it still might not end up the winner. It is usually right to fold if it was a boarderline decision even after accounting for the implied odds. However, when you analyse the situation, you sometimes realize that your opponent isn’t going to be able to call your raise when you make the hand. If you come to the conclusion that he may be too weak to call a raise even now, then you should raise with your draws as a back-up way of winning the hand.

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- Barry Greenstein ;Ace on the River: an advanced poker guide p.151-152.

<font color="red">Can someone give me an example please. Is this a flop or turn play? </font>
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Old 09-05-2005, 03:15 AM
BluffTHIS! BluffTHIS! is offline
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Default Re: Ace on the River Q

This could apply to either flop or turn play in numerous examples where you have a draw. His point is that just calling because you think you have implied odds is often mistaken, because the opponent has too weak a hand to call with if you hit. However, by raising instead with such a draw, you get two ways to win. Obviously one is by hitting a draw that is good (remembering that it might not be especially if made on the turn and he has a redraw to beat you on the river), but also by hopefully just taking down the pot right there with the raise by getting him to fold a marginal hand. So the advice is, if you put the opponent on a marginal holding, to consider raising first and then folding, but not calling hoping to 1) hit, 2) that it will be good on the river, and 3) you will in fact get paid off when it does hit and is good (which often won't be the case and means you didn't really have implied odds).
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Old 09-05-2005, 04:17 AM
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Default Re: Ace on the River Q

Limit hold em.

Lets say you are in position and getting 3:1 on fourth street for your (small cards) open ended straight draw. This gives you a deficit of 1.88BB. In other words, your opponent would have to bet the river and call your raise almost 100 percent of the time.
However, if you have reason to believe that your opponent is weak, you can raise the turn and bet the river no matter what comes off.
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