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Old 09-15-2005, 07:24 PM
DpR DpR is offline
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

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= Call river. Otherwise I think you played it right.
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Old 09-15-2005, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

I think all is fine, except I'd call the river. If the BB had a strong hand, then he definitely got a lot fewer bets than he should have had he lead out on the flop. By calling, either we win the hand, or we lose less than we should have.
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Old 09-15-2005, 08:04 PM
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

i would call the river.
i like the rest....
i think betting the fliop would be really horrible.
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Old 09-15-2005, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

not if you check the turn
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Old 09-15-2005, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

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not if you check the turn

[/ QUOTE ]he might not give this luxury.
besides, if he is really scared w/ an underpair, the only way to make him fold, is by letting him bet and then raising.
if you bet, he will checkcall with 88 all the way to his sucky content.
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Old 09-15-2005, 08:34 PM
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

5-handed, I'd consider calling the river, despite the clear signal that he has a monster.

I think the flop check is clearly best, as in my experience, betting the flop hoping for the free turn card is not likely to succeed. Betting and even 3-betting the flop looking or a "free" turn card isn't terrible though.

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Old 09-15-2005, 08:35 PM
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

I know what you're trying to say with this hand, but do you think his flop check followed by a turn bet translates to "AQ or better" at least 86% of the time? It's pretty hard to estimate these kind of probabilities, but my gut feel is that, though you are absolutely correct to be suspicious of a monster, you cannot be sure enough of it to pass up 6.25:1 on the river.
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Old 09-15-2005, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

in my opinion, there are only two possibilities. he either has a monster like top set, or he three bet you with JJ. i think that this hand is difficult to play considering the preflop action. i think that i would call the river for information purposes if you dont have much on this player to begin with. very deceptive play.
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Old 09-15-2005, 11:35 PM
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

I definately bet the flop. IMO, this 3-bet followed by a check is a monster wayyy less than you guys think in the 30/60 game.
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Old 09-16-2005, 01:37 AM
Eric P Eric P is offline
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Default Re: PFR 3 bet, flop check

Not having read any other response, why not bet the flop, then if he really flopped a monster and he goes for a turn c/r you get to save a half bet. Although you have to follow through on your plan to check once you hit that queen.

P.S. isn't there more than a 6-1 chance you are good on the river? I mean, i can think of about twenty hands that he would 3-bet pre-flop with that you can beat. AT sticks out in my head.
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