5/10, I never seem to have a great line when I turn a lock

AZK · #1 09-22-2005, 10:45 AM

5/10, villain is abc and plays fine. He makes it 30 to go second in, I call from the BB with J9s, 5 handed, we both have about 1400.

Flop JT9

I bet 40, he minraises, I call.

Turn J

Hero?

I keep thinking I need to be this turn so that I can bet more on the river so I can stack etc...but in reality, He isn't going to call another bet unless he has AJ/set/KQ, the turn also put up a spade draw, so I could hope maybe he has some like AKs and will hit runner runner. He isn't lag or anything like that so I don't see 78 here or anything, this is either big cards, big pair, etc.

How many of you bet this again? 1/2 pot? Check, check and bet pot on river? what's a good line?

hit_the_set · #2 09-22-2005, 10:50 AM

Against an abc player, I would bet atleast 3/4 pot and expect to be raised assuming you are not folding to his push(putting him on 10 J).

LetYouDown · #3 09-22-2005, 10:56 AM

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Against an abc player, I would bet atleast 3/4 pot and expect to be raised assuming you are not folding to his push(putting him on 10 J).

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Huh?

I half pot this because there are 16 cards I don't want to see on the river. If the guy is tight, I don't think you're getting that much more out of him if the flush/straight hits anyway. On the chance that he's drawing live, I 1/2 pot this.

ObnxNole · #4 09-22-2005, 01:22 PM

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Against an abc player, I would bet atleast 3/4 pot and expect to be raised assuming you are not folding to his push(putting him on 10 J).

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Huh?

I half pot this because there are 16 cards I don't want to see on the river. If the guy is tight, I don't think you're getting that much more out of him if the flush/straight hits anyway. On the chance that he's drawing live, I 1/2 pot this.

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Well put. He may still be drawing live.

#5 09-22-2005, 10:54 AM

I like half the pot, I wouldn't want to check and just give him a free card with Aces, Kings, or Queens, and you'll probably still get a call from a lot of hands, plus like you said you can build the pot for the river bet.

#6 09-22-2005, 10:59 AM

I like 1/2 to 2/3 pot. He minraised you to see where he is and by betting out here with a semi-weak bet, he still won't have a good idea where he is.
If he doesn't call or raise the turn, he's not putting money in on the river unless he has a big one.
Keep building the pot and hope he has something like TT, strong draw, or hands he may stubbornly draw very thin with like an overpair.
Unless I know that I have an opponent who perceives any check as weakness and will bet after my check, I always build the pot with weak-looking bets in situations like this hoping to string them along.
The real question is whether you let him draw to eight cards (five ties included) if he does pop it up hard indicating that he probably has AJ.
Curious to know what you did / results.

Hattifnatt · #7 09-22-2005, 11:16 AM

I reraise flop.

Turn is tough, but leading out with something like 3/4 pot might be good.

fsuplayer · #8 09-22-2005, 11:31 AM

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I reraise flop.

Turn is tough, but leading out with something like 3/4 pot might be good.

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*throws up in mouth a little bit*

you reraise flop and the following happens:

overpairs normally fold
Better hands either smoothcall to trap you, or 4 bet you.

doesnt sound appetizing, does it?

Hattifnatt · #9 09-22-2005, 04:45 PM

I get your point, but you seem like a respected player so if you got time I would preciate if you develop the point further...

AZK · #10 09-22-2005, 05:33 PM

His point is pretty clear. If I 3bet flop, what hands call? A set or the straight, right? Most players would muck an overpair or AJ. So why would I want to do that? I wouldn't. I would let him off easy or cost myself a ton of chips before sucking out on the turn. You gotta think about what hands he will call with not just the strength of your own hand...