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Old 06-29-2005, 11:56 PM
VinnyTheFish VinnyTheFish is offline
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Default Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

Searched and check Robert's rule, but I cannot seem to find an exact answer. I saw that tournament rules vary here, but we are playing a ring and follow Robert's rule as best we can.

Simply:

2 players left, Flop is dealt. K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Player 1 goes all-in. Player 2 waits about 10 seconds, then saying nothing and makes no hand gesters, nor chip moves - flips over (exposing) his cards A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], towards the flop, definately not towards the muck.

A few player murmer, player 1 (whose cards are still covered) says - <font color="blue"> ok, that's a fold. </font> Player 2 - says <font color="red"> No, I call. </font>

Call? Fold?
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Old 06-30-2005, 12:06 AM
LordBP LordBP is offline
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Default Re: Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

Cards flipped up without saying anything makes them dead cards I believe.
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Old 06-30-2005, 01:28 AM
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Default Re: Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

Is it "legal" to tell everyone your flipping over the cards to get a reaction to decide to call a bet heads up on the river?
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Old 06-30-2005, 01:56 AM
Raydain Raydain is offline
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Default Re: Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

I'm 80% sure this is legal
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Old 06-30-2005, 02:25 AM
John Bedtelyon John Bedtelyon is offline
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Default Re: Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

No way is this legal, whatsoever.

If a players hand is seen by a player still involved in the hand, the hand is dead. Flipping it face up on the table is simply showing his fold (and poor ettiquette at that!)

JMB
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Old 06-30-2005, 08:09 AM
ClonexxSA ClonexxSA is offline
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Default Re: Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

Not legal, his hand was dead.

This was done in the WPT championship last night as a matter of fact, but not by accident. Tuan put up a big bet to push Hasan out of a pot. After thinking for a bit Hasan just turned over his hand without saying anything. The hand was ruled dead immediately.
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Old 06-30-2005, 10:32 AM
KenProspero KenProspero is offline
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Default Re: Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

I knew I saw it somewhere before!!!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 06-30-2005, 10:38 AM
Khabbi Khabbi is offline
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Default Re: Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

I saw the same thing happen on a televised Party Poker event too.

The ruling was that the hand was dead when it was exposed.
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Old 06-30-2005, 10:58 AM
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Default Re: Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

I didn't think that it was wrong either, until I did it at the Grand in Tunica a while back. I turned over my pocket kings after betting was completed on the turn card (thinking that it was the river card). The dealer instantly ruled my hand dead. Not only did I lose a big pot, I felt even worse.
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Old 06-30-2005, 04:58 PM
VinnyTheFish VinnyTheFish is offline
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Default Re: Quick help - flipped up cards before saying anything

Thanks all. Has anyone sen the exact rule in Robert's or anywhere else.

Thanks again!
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