Gonna live off 2/4 - How long?

[RollaJ]

It is very doable in the winter.

Play at the Borgata and get the $39 room rate. When you get there everyday clock in at 10-20 and play your 2-4 game. for 14 hours. You will earn $28 in comp and 14 at the tables which is $42.... enough to pay for your room.

Youll need a little more money to eat tho, so here are some suggestions:

Sit in the one seat!
When people throw over a tip for the dealer, grab it tap the chip on the tip tube, but then put it in your pocket. Not only should you make a few extra dollars an hour, but the dealers will thank you for being so kind.

Order a lot of drinks, and when the waitress comes give her a single and ask for $4 back, most of them are pretty/dumb so this should work about twice a day.

Also, always offer to pass the drinks from the waitress to the players, and then when passing the tip back, palm anything over $1.

Tell people you are going to starbucks and ask if they need anything...... round the prices up when you comeback

Bring a carton of Newport, Marlboro, and Marlboro light whenever you play. pay $5 a pack on the outside and you can easily sell them for $8-10 at the table.

Finally whenever the guy next to you goes to the restroom, "accidentally" knock over his chips. When restacking, feel free to take something for your hard work!

Hope this helps..... As they say, Poker is a hard way to make an easy living [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[sekrah]

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Finally whenever the guy next to you goes to the restroom, "accidentally" knock over his chips. When restacking, feel free to take something for your hard work!


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My Favorite [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] .. Don't sit next to me boys.

I accidently did this at a 3-6 game at the Borgata a couple years ago. Lady went to the bathroom while I was scooping in a pot i knocked her chips over.. Her Husband was there and he was just like, "Don't worry about it, It'll give her something to do."

I don't think we mixed them up.. But it probably looked fishy anyway.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Trying to make a living off 2-4 when starting with only a few hundred dollars is nearly 100% certain to end in utter failure and broke-ness. Add to that the fact that you'll almost certainly not break $4/hour playing (even if by some miracle you don't go broke), and the certainty of this plan being a "bad idea" is complete. You could make more money manning the drive-thru at McDonald's, and at least there you'd probably get free meals.

The fact you're a 2-4 player planning to "take a shot" at 5-10 means you're probably not half as good as you think you are anyway. A living cannot be made playing anything less than 10-20 in live games, unless you don't mind living "on the other side of the tracks."

I suggest you study up on the concepts of bankroll, hourly rate, standard deviation and gambler's ruin before you think about trying something like this.

Oh, and one more thing...

Don't quit your day job.

al

[highlife]

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Oh, and one more thing...

Don't quit your day job.


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i think its clearly far too late for this advice [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[PokerCrab]

Vicent, if you are serious of giving this a shot at 2/4 for a living, I think you should consider playing online. Your room if you get the cheap rate will actually eat up your winnings for the day - itself let along gas & food.
You seriously CAN actually do it online but I dont see how you can do it in a live casino. One major advantage for online - ABility to play Multi tables and Short handed tables.
Online - many advantages- less rake, more game selections, Multi tabling ( earn more per hour ) no traveling expenses, and so much more beenfits for low limit players.

Build your bankroll online til you got enough money for at least 10/20 live games. No joke. heh heh.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Dude, people are trying to be helpful here, but you're just not being realistic at all. Read my response to your original post. Read what bernie is saying to you again, over and over if need be. We know. I know. I made 90% of my living off poker for three years, before I decided to go "back to work." I did make a decent living at it too, and still could if I so chose. I'm MUCH more knowledgable on the subject of poker, and undoubtedly a MUCH better player than you. I'm not trying to put you down, I'm trying to impart to you the folly of what you're planning here before you totally bomb like Berlin, 1945.

5-10 is too low to make a living. 2-4 is impossible. If you dropped $200 last night (a HUGE loss by the way, 50 big bets~!) then you're down to a $500 bankroll. If you're as good as I am (and you're probably not), you need a minimum of $1200 (300 big bets) to give yourself a 95% chance of NOT going broke playing 2-4. IMO, 300 ain't even enough these days, you need MORE.

Purchase and read Gambling theory and other topics, by Mason Malmuth. Then read it again. Follow the advice, don't just read it.

There is some fantastic information in "blackbelt in blackjack" by Arnold Snyder on the subject gambler's ruin. DO NOT attempt to be a blackjack player, holy cow you AIN'T ready for that.

This article ...

http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/c.../Chin0705.html

is pretty advanced, but discusses some of what you really need to UNDERSTAND before you try to gamble for a living. If this article is too over your head, you're not ready to try this yet.

If you still won't listen to the very reasonable advice some very knowledgable and experienced posters are giving you here, then please do make sure and be honest, posting your "I went broke" report here too.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Playing online would give him a much better chance of building up a $500 bankroll to something reasonable. However, you still wouldn't start at 2-4, you'd start at more like 50c-1.00 and play two tables. Even 1-2 would be slightly pushing it bankroll wise. I think you need more like 400 big bets, not 300 (assuming unreplenishable bankroll) but that's just my opinion, not hardcore fact. However, my opinion is based on a lot of experience.

Also notice that none of what I am discussing in any of my posts thusfar relates at all to no limit play.

al

[feelixthegreek]

100 Big Bets at a 5/10 is nowhere near enough. I've had 100 big bet downswings at every level I've ever played, online and live, regardless of how much better I was than everyone else (and, in some cases, because I was better than everyone else).

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If you still won't listen to the very reasonable advice some very knowledgable and experienced posters are giving you here, then please do make sure and be honest, posting your "I went broke" report here too.

al

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If it happens, will do. I have $700 after the $200 loss. I keep pretty decent records I think for B&M play, and I am beating it after 5k hands (assuming 30 hands/hr). I obviously have a computer, so I think I may play online a bit too. Thanks for advice.

[eh923]

Vincent...I don't know your personal situation, but don't take the following personally.

For the many pro-wannabes that frequent this forum, the original post should serve as a reminder of where you DO NOT want to be. Put forth some of the effort that you put into poker into finishing school, getting (and keeping) a job, a generally staying a member of society.

Poker is a great game, and it has great benefits that I don't need to get into. But, it's a terrible decision to abandon life in general to just play poker when you have the aptitude to do other things. Poker can always be played on the side!