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#1
12-06-2005, 11:07 PM
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KJo makes Second pair on ugly flop
Bet365 0.50/1 game. Generally loose and passive.
Hero raises KJo from EP, 2 unsurprising CCer immediately behind me, blind blind calls. Flop comes a healthy KAQ rainbow. Check, Hero bets and all three of them call. Turn comes 8 of rainbow. Check, Hero... What's my plan for the hand? edit: Changed hand because I messed up one CCer. 
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#2
12-06-2005, 11:42 PM
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Re: KJo makes Second pair on ugly flop
I think our hand is good and we have to bet. We may have some people hanging around with a T, J, or a weaker K. We will probably see weak ace her sometimes. We will have to reevaluate on the river, as 1-2 may drop on the big street. A safe river card calls for another value bet I think.
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#5
12-07-2005, 10:05 AM
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Re: KJo makes Second pair on ugly flop
If we bet, what do we do if we get raised.
I think that we still have to call as we are getting at least 5 good outs and maybe as many as 9. Thoughts.
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#6
12-07-2005, 11:34 AM
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Re: KJo makes Second pair on ugly flop
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If we bet, what do we do if we get raised. [/ QUOTE ] I would usually assume it is not a semibluff. There is no OESD there. I don't think you'll see a semibluff from someone with a gutshot on this board. I'd count my outs as 6 at best. The gutshot outs could be to a split pot. We could lose to a better two pair. 6 outs might even be a touch optimistic. Then I'd continue if I had the odds to do so. Note that when I bet the turn, I did so assuming we might have the best hand and if not it could be considered a semibluff with 9 outs. Now I assume we don't have the best hand and I make a more refined estimate of the outs. Does that make sense?
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#7
12-07-2005, 12:45 PM
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Re: KJo makes Second pair on ugly flop
I'd count maybe, 2 kings, 3 tens, and between 1/2 and 1 for the jacks, assuming someone has an ace which I feel is likely to be the case ~70% of the time. I still think I bet this and call a turn raise with 6bbs in the pot already, these other guys tagging along with draws or weak Ks Qs etc will make it worthwhile.
Mack
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#8
12-07-2005, 01:02 PM
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Re: KJo makes Second pair on ugly flop
EP i would probably not play KJo, excpet if table is aloowing it to play, then i would raise it like you. The two cold-callers, don`t do you any good. One of them prob. holds Ax.
The flop bet is ok i think. The turn is quite diffictult to say. I would probably check-call the turn. when you don`t improve i would fold the river.
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