How's Your Turn Play?

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2. Bets. As last money in. Fold Equity is high HU.
3. Raise. Good UTG players at 10/20 don't limp with A9, A7, A3. I'd say pair+FD. If capped, I call down mildly afraid of 77,33.

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(i grunched too =P)

hand 2, your WA/WB... why do you want fold equity??? chances are VERY high that your relative hand values arent changing on the river.

hand 3, which pair+fd do you put him on? a 9 from a TAG that chose not to bet the flop? or a suited 7 limping in from EP without the A? (As on board)


Edit: Actually looking back i think there can be made very strong arguments for 3bet, call or fold in hand 3.... i guess calling is the cheapest mistake (argh fish logic)

a decent tag could easily be checkraising with AJ/AQ seeing you on an overpair to the flop/underpair to the turn

[McGahee]

#1 - check/call - I don't know what he's calling the flop bet with other than a K, PP, wheel draw, or flush draw. He's not folding any and raising the former 2.
#2 - pretty easy check behind and river call
#3 - call and fold river UI - bluffing the PFR when the A hits is pretty rare. Maybe it'd be better to just fold the turn, but I suck at math and I'm not sure how many outs I have.

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hand 1: bet

- gives a chance to win the pot now
- may allow us to collect an extra river bet if the flush card hit by checking to induce a bluff
- it is doubtful that you'll be exposed to a three bet with this board

hand 2: check the turn

- i'm having a hard time putting mp2 on any hands. what would a TAG limp in with in MP2 and call a flop bet with a three flush board? Seeing the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] fall doesn't make me feel comfortable betting either.


hand 3: 3 bet

-I think your being check raised by a draw a big percentage of the time in this spot. I don't see a ragged two pair, but something like QJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

[Redd]

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Bet

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Could you elaborate? He's gotta fold like 25ish% of the time here for +EV (?) and if he peeled getting 5:1 on the flop, he'll usually peel getting 4:1 after it becomes less likely that you have a king.

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2. Bets. As last money in. Fold Equity is high HU.
3. Raise. Good UTG players at 10/20 don't limp with A9, A7, A3. I'd say pair+FD. If capped, I call down mildly afraid of 77,33.

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(i grunched too =P)

hand 2, your WA/WB... why do you want fold equity??? chances are VERY high that your relative hand values arent changing on the river.

hand 3, which pair+fd do you put him on? a 9 from a TAG that chose not to bet the flop? or a suited 7 limping in from EP without the A? (As on board)


Edit: Actually looking back i think there can be made very strong arguments for 3bet, call or fold in hand 3.... i guess calling is the cheapest mistake (argh fish logic)

a decent tag could easily be checkraising with AJ/AQ seeing you on an overpair to the flop/underpair to the turn

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Please refer to my edits. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Hand 2. How low does our diamond have to be before we are betting this turn, if at all?

[Shillx]

I'm busy right now, but our only other option is to check and fold. I really hate check/folding here since he will just auto bet no matter what he has.

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2. Bets. As last money in. Fold Equity is high HU.
3. Raise. Good UTG players at 10/20 don't limp with A9, A7, A3. I'd say pair+FD. If capped, I call down mildly afraid of 77,33.

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(i grunched too =P)

hand 2, your WA/WB... why do you want fold equity??? chances are VERY high that your relative hand values arent changing on the river.

hand 3, which pair+fd do you put him on? a 9 from a TAG that chose not to bet the flop? or a suited 7 limping in from EP without the A? (As on board)


Edit: Actually looking back i think there can be made very strong arguments for 3bet, call or fold in hand 3.... i guess calling is the cheapest mistake (argh fish logic)

a decent tag could easily be checkraising with AJ/AQ seeing you on an overpair to the flop/underpair to the turn

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Please refer to my edits. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Hand 2. How low does our diamond have to be before we are betting this turn, if at all?

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haha no fair....

i dont think i ever bet this turn with a diamond, mainly for deception in making him think you dont have the flush and avoiding a checkraise giving you a tough decision.

[McGahee]

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I'm busy right now, but our only other option is to check and fold. I really hate check/folding here since he will just auto bet no matter what he has.

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Interesting - the reason I like check/call is because I'm raising/betting any PP on the turn if I'm villian. Am I not a "decent player"?

[MrWookie47]

I absolutely can't see checking and folding. We'd be getting 4:1, needing 4.2:1 for our flush draw alone. If we can't make up 0.2 BB on this river, something is wrong in the world. Hell, if we know he bets every time, we can assign some outs to our 6's and 8's that will easily push this into a turn call.

[macdaddy991]

I am grunching, have read no replies as of yet.

Hand one, the second king is great for our cause. I would semi bluff bet on the turn.

Hand two, I think that the clarkmeister therom would apply here

Hand three, with a smart TAG as an opponent, I would call down