A good speech by Bush

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He takes on the people who are reinventing the history of how the Iraq war started. A speech that feels like a campaign speech.

When you don't fight back against misinformation, people start to believe the lies the media spreads. This may be the openning salvo of recapturing the public debate about the reality of the war on terrorism.

Things are looking up for those who care about defeating terrorism for real.

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This is hilarious considering Bush himself has reinvented the history of how the war started several times. (9/11 connection, Al-Queda connection, WMDs, Saddam is a bad guy,etc.)

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This is hilarious considering Bush himself has reinvented the history of how the war started several times. (9/11 connection, Al-Queda connection, WMDs, Saddam is a bad guy,etc.)

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9/11 connection - ok you win.

Al-Queda connection- check the week's news for bombing in Jordan by Iraqi Al-Queda operatives.

WMDs- ok we didn't find them. But even a marginal likelihood that Iraq did have them coupled with a demonstrated willingness in the past to use them on their own people made it necessary to eliminate any such possibility.

Saddam is(n't) a bad guy - get a grip.

[jesusarenque]

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This is hilarious considering Bush himself has reinvented the history of how the war started several times. (9/11 connection, Al-Queda connection, WMDs, Saddam is a bad guy,etc.)

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9/11 connection - ok you win.

Al-Queda connection- check the week's news for bombing in Jordan by Iraqi Al-Queda operatives.

WMDs- ok we didn't find them. But even a marginal likelihood that Iraq did have them coupled with a demonstrated willingness in the past to use them on their own people made it necessary to eliminate any such possibility.

Saddam is(n't) a bad guy - get a grip.

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Al-Queda is operating in Iraq now. Al-Queda was NOT operating in Iraq before we invaded. (Also, I know Saddam is a bad guy. I was just pointing out the ever-changing rationale Bush used to invade.)

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Al-Queda is operating in Iraq now. Al-Queda was NOT operating in Iraq before we invaded.

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Even though they didn't operate there in action during Saddam's tenure doesn't mean they didn't receive any aid and comfort since they were both enemies of the US even though Saddam was not a religious radical. And since they are there now we clearly need to stay long enough to defeat them since they are the enemy and we have to take the battle to them wherever they exist rather than allowing them to have any safe havens.

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Al-Queda is operating in Iraq now. Al-Queda was NOT operating in Iraq before we invaded.

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Even though they didn't operate there in action during Saddam's tenure doesn't mean they didn't receive any aid and comfort since they were both enemies of the US even though Saddam was not a religious radical. And since they are there now we clearly need to stay long enough to defeat them since they are the enemy and we have to take the battle to them wherever they exist rather than allowing them to have any safe havens.

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I agree. I was totally against the war, but now that we are there we can't just leave. It is one of the few areas where I agree with Bush.

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WMDs- ok we didn't find them. But even a marginal likelihood that Iraq did have them coupled with a demonstrated willingness in the past to use them on their own people made it necessary to eliminate any such possibility.

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That doesn't seem to count for anything. If we'd not gone into Iraq and WMD's, proven to have come from Iraq, were later used, all we'd be hearing now is, "Why didn't we do something before 10,000 innocents were killed!" Impeach Bush right now!

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[PoBoy321]

What, exactly, constitutes receiving "aid and comfort"?

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Sharing mutual intelligence, buying and selling arems to each other, allowing personnel to have temporary trainging or lodging facilities, etc. To be sure, Al-Queada was not buddies with Saddam who until his ouster was fairly irreligious (he got religion now though!). But since they both viewed the US as an enemy, that made them more likely to cooperate on anti-US goals even if on a lower level.

[Beavis68]

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This is hilarious considering Bush himself has reinvented the history of how the war started several times. (9/11 connection, Al-Queda connection, WMDs, Saddam is a bad guy,etc.)

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9/11 connection - ok you win.

Al-Queda connection- check the week's news for bombing in Jordan by Iraqi Al-Queda operatives.

WMDs- ok we didn't find them. But even a marginal likelihood that Iraq did have them coupled with a demonstrated willingness in the past to use them on their own people made it necessary to eliminate any such possibility.

Saddam is(n't) a bad guy - get a grip.

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Al-Queda is operating in Iraq now. Al-Queda was NOT operating in Iraq before we invaded. (Also, I know Saddam is a bad guy. I was just pointing out the ever-changing rationale Bush used to invade.)

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1st of all, find one single quote from bush linking Al Qu3da to Iraq or 9/11 to Iraq. Please, find it and post it.

2nd there is much evidence of Al Queda having relations and working from Iraq pre- 9/11. Why would they ignor Afghanistan that was there supposed base, but fight for Iraq?

[Beavis68]

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WMDs- ok we didn't find them. But even a marginal likelihood that Iraq did have them coupled with a demonstrated willingness in the past to use them on their own people made it necessary to eliminate any such possibility.

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That doesn't seem to count for anything. If we'd not gone into Iraq and WMD's, proven to have come from Iraq, were later used, all we'd be hearing now is, "Why didn't we do something before 10,000 innocents were killed!" Impeach Bush right now!

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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invading Iraq was hugely +EV