Checking TPTK on the Turn

Haupt_234 · #1 07-30-2004, 11:46 AM

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 5 folds, BB calls, UTG caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (13.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (7.66 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 9.66 BB
Main Pot: 9.66 BB, between Hero and UTG.

Haupt_234

barrett · #2 07-30-2004, 11:57 AM

Did you have any kind of read on UTG?

Against an unknown Party 3/6 player I'd still bet the turn and call down the CR unimproved.

ProfLupin · #3 07-30-2004, 12:03 PM

Why? You're giving a butt-load of hands a free card to outdraw you here. AQ, AJ, TT, 99 could all have capped preflop and they might have a single spade in their hand too. Bet the turn and call down a check-raise.

Bill Smith · #4 07-30-2004, 12:03 PM

Bet the turn. HU, your hand is good here more often than not, and I don't like the idea of giving someone a free card with a 3-flush on board.

arkady · #5 07-30-2004, 12:31 PM

ewww...weak tight much?

sthief09 · #6 07-30-2004, 12:34 PM

I like it. he's not likely to have a T, and if he has TT, you (1) might've gotten him to call the river, and (2) he would've called anyway with his OESD. figuring he either has AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, or occasionally TT or AQ, I think betting is probably not a good idea. the only hands you beat are TT and AQ.

I think the people who responded to your post are being results-oriented. you'll get check-raised here like 90% of the time. headsup, you can afford to give free cards. you have outs and you're probably not ahead, so you should check.

Haupt_234 · #7 07-30-2004, 12:41 PM

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Bet the turn. HU, your hand is good here more often than not

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Any slight use of hand reading will favor me not being ahead on turn here against a PF capper. What do you put my opponent on that I have to bet the turn "because I have TPTK"?

Haupt_234

Bill Smith · #8 07-30-2004, 01:04 PM

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What do you put my opponent on that I have to bet the turn "because I have TPTK"

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Capping hands you are behind: AA, KK, QQ, JJ(?)
Capping hands you are tied with: AK

Which of these hands would you cold call on the flop in his position, or not bet on the turn? I'd say 0. My slight use of hand reading says he's overplayed his hand and does not like that flop. My guesses are TT, 99, AQ or AJ.

Sure, maybe he's just being tricky, but I think you've made it obvious you're not folding. If he had a hand, he'd be playing it.

Haupt_234 · #9 07-30-2004, 01:09 PM

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Which of these hands would you cold call on the flop in his position, or not bet on the turn? I'd say 0. My slight use of hand reading says he's overplayed his hand and does not like that flop. My guesses are TT, 99, AQ or AJ.

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I figured he would be out with AK and checkraise the turn with the rest.

Against an unknown opponent during one of my first orbits, I don't like banking on the whim that he overplayed his 99 or AJ and capped preflop... I think this would be a costly error in the long run.

I am not trying to berate you in any way, but I am curious as to why you consider him overplaying his hand after a mere flop check?

Haupt_234

arkady · #10 07-30-2004, 01:28 PM

oh come on, what capping hand checks that turn with THAT kind of board? villain is afraid of that board and is showing it.