Bet-fold this turn or fetal tuck?

[cartman]

UTG+1 is unknown.

PREFLOP:
UTG+1 open-raises, folded to Hero in the BB who 3-bets with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

FLOP: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero bets, MP calls.

TURN: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero folds.


Should I have just checked and called both the turn and river when the Ace hit?

What would your line be if a K or a Q hit the turn?

Thanks,
Cartman

[gildwulf]

I think you played it well. With no reads I would do the same thing. I always bet this turn no matter what with a hand as strong as JJ. Against a King or Queen, especially if it two-flushes the board, I will probably call down (possibility of aggressive draws).

Against an unknown my line for an A would definately be a bet/fold.

I'd dump on a K/Q to a turn raise as well.

[wheelz]

i think you've got to bet-fold. it sucks, because you're going to fold worse hands and also open the possibility of getting bluff raised by them, and you're ahead of more of his range than you're behind. however, i don't think he bluffs both streets often enough for check-calling down to be profitable, and i also don't think he bluffs you off the best hand often enough for there to be anything wrong with bet-folding. so i guess you've got to go with the lesser of 2 evils.

of course, we don't know that he'll bet the turn after we check.

[krishanleong]

It's bet/fold most of the time but occasionally I use check-call check-fold. I sometimes do the latter though I'm not sure it ever really works out.

Krishan

[Stack]

I play the same since there are no draws to warrant a semibluff from villain. Sometimes, we'll fold the best hand...oh well...we'll have better reads on him in a few minutes.

[Stack]

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It's bet/fold most of the time but occasionally I use check-call check-fold. I sometimes do the latter though I'm not sure it ever really works out.

Krishan

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Do you switch between the two randomly or is there a factor that makes you check-call check-fold sometimes?

[wheelz]

it definitely works sometimes, but i don't think it works well against unknowns.

[krishanleong]

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It's bet/fold most of the time but occasionally I use check-call check-fold. I sometimes do the latter though I'm not sure it ever really works out.

Krishan

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Do you switch between the two randomly or is there a factor that makes you check-call check-fold sometimes?

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I probably bet/fold 90%. I think having a decent read will make me check-call, check-fold. If I'm running badly, Villian may be tilting, villian is tricky I try it sometimes.

Krishan

[krishanleong]

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it definitely works sometimes, but i don't think it works well against unknowns.

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I agree. It's good to know other half decent lines for this spot though.

Krishan