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Old 10-19-2005, 06:46 PM
Leavenfish Leavenfish is offline
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Default Odds and Stud

Hello,
I've been playing a lot of 7 Card Stud lately, not having played since college. I have two Stud books: S&M&Z's newest edition of Stud for Advanced Players and Roy West's 7 Card Stud: 42 Lessons .

What I do NOT find in either is any real discussion of odds. West has a chart at the back but this is all. Does anyone know where I can find such a quick reference chart?

I might add that I do have Real Poker Night by Henry Stevenson and there is a small chart or two along with a formula for using 'baseline draws odds' of completing by end of hand and of hitting on each individual stree along with odds of Hand Improvement From 5th Street...but I find these difficult for some reason.

However, he does offer a way of dealing with odds by a "ratio of outs to unseen cards" which goes like:

"Suppose you have T,J,Q,K on 4th street, giving you and open-ended straight draw. Two players fold on 3rd street and 2 stay in. From table 12.1, your baseline odds of making the straight by the end of the hand are 1:1/2 . But what if there are aces or nines out already in your opponents' hands? Your drawing odds on each street are 1:5 . Thus as long as the ratio of dead outs to exposed cards is around 1:5, your odds of making the straight are close to the odds you've memorized (in the chart). On 4th street with two opponents in and two folding earlier, you have seen 6 board cards. If one of those 6 cards is/was a nine or an ace, the deck is still neutral for your draw, and your 1:1/2 odds for completing by the end of the hand are valid. An absence of burned outs diminishes the strength of yoru draw.
But by how much? You'll have to settle for an estimate...." and then he goes on from there.
That sounds interesting and I need to see if it works. I guess it works for 8 handed games as well though he seem to be talking about shorter handed games throughout the book.

Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone had come across a chart for your basic odds of improvement upon each street if 'x' outs still exist. When I started multi-tabling Hold'em such a chart came in rather handy.

Thanks,
Leavenfish
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