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#11
10-10-2005, 01:40 AM
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Re: 99, river raise
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[ QUOTE ] i hate it. [/ QUOTE ] if you don't raise this you miss out on a lot of value IMO. he calls with A high or better and his turn donk means nothing. [/ QUOTE ] i think his turn donk means nothing sometimes alghouth not that often given his stats. otherwise he could have anything from 22-qq. but the overwhelming favorite is that he has a 10. 
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#13
10-10-2005, 02:10 AM
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Re: 99, river raise
It is dangerous business to rely on AF to make decisions about a player unknown to you, but I think a T is his most likely hand here. I guess the question is does he both have a worse hand and call often enough to offset the times he has a T? I would probably just call but I think raising is fine also. It would be the easiest fold to a 3-bet ever I think.
Cartman
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#14
10-10-2005, 02:28 AM
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Re: 99, river raise
He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on??
If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river??
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#15
10-10-2005, 02:32 AM
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Re: 99, river raise
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He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on?? If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river?? [/ QUOTE ] this is a good point. raising turn isbetter than raising river especially if he is capable of donking aj or kq or j7.
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#16
10-10-2005, 02:32 AM
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Re: 99, river raise
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He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on?? If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river?? [/ QUOTE ] I really think he does this with any pair or draw. It's possible that statistically he does it more often with a T, but when the T hits on the river it reduces the probability that he has a T in his hand enough so that I think it's a raise. Then again, this post is pointless because everyone donks with different things and stats don't mean a damn thing. The easiest thing to do is get a good read on this individual.
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#17
10-10-2005, 02:35 AM
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Re: 99, river raise
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[ QUOTE ] He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on?? If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river?? [/ QUOTE ] I really think he does this with any pair or draw. It's possible that statistically he does it more often with a T, but when the T hits on the river it reduces the probability that he has a T in his hand enough so that I think it's a raise. Then again, this post is pointless because everyone donks with different things and stats don't mean a damn thing. The easiest thing to do is get a good read on this individual. [/ QUOTE ] so you would agree that calling down is best absent of a read?
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#18
10-10-2005, 02:56 AM
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Re: 99, river raise
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on?? If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river?? [/ QUOTE ] I really think he does this with any pair or draw. It's possible that statistically he does it more often with a T, but when the T hits on the river it reduces the probability that he has a T in his hand enough so that I think it's a raise. Then again, this post is pointless because everyone donks with different things and stats don't mean a damn thing. The easiest thing to do is get a good read on this individual. [/ QUOTE ] so you would agree that calling down is best absent of a read? [/ QUOTE ] i really have no idea anymore. i've been talking to all1n for like 10 minutes and hes on the brink of convincing me to either raise the turn or clal the river.
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#19
10-10-2005, 03:22 AM
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Re: 99, river raise
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He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on?? [/ QUOTE ] i was apparently way off on this one... i was thinking something like a T, 8, 3, maybe 2, 45, J9, A4, J7, air... [ QUOTE ] If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? [/ QUOTE ] i was thinking his range also included a fair number that wouldn't call down unimproved. so by not raising the turn i get another bet if he has air, and i lose less if a bad river card comes and he rivers me. he's often firing on the river with a draw, i'll get 2 bets if he misses anyway. [ QUOTE ] If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river?? [/ QUOTE ] the range also included smaller pairs and ace highs. the river card was great, no draws hit, the chances of him having a T are slightly lower. now i've already gotten 2 bets out of him if he had a draw or air, so what if i don't get to see his hand? him folding tells me enough. if he does have a hand he was calling down unimproved with from the turn though, i get that extra bet now. so i guess i chose this line because i though the range was an even mixture of hands that were calling UI and ones that weren't. i was just calling down most river cards, but that one was good enough for me to want to put in a raise. maybe i'm way off on this one.
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