Review: Hand 1, Q8o

blackize · #1 07-23-2005, 10:24 PM

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Please focus on the seemingly mundane, routine thing that Hero might be doing wrong (especially in the blinds).

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I think this is a situation where the hero should call with any 2.

He has a reasonable hand, Q8, and is getting 9 to one on a call which closes the action.

thesharpie · #2 07-23-2005, 10:27 PM

I don't. I might call with any suited 2.

You don't want to be playing unsuited junk in a raised pot even if you're getting what seems like a decent price.

Redd · #3 07-23-2005, 10:28 PM

I agree with sharpie. I'd play Q8s here, but not Q8.

Dave G. · #4 07-23-2005, 10:31 PM

Agreed. Unsuited cards have very limited multiway potential, and this is a 3-gapper. This is a very unprofitable hand to play.

blackize · #5 07-23-2005, 10:35 PM

With Q8s I call this even with much much worse odds, but given that hero is getting 9-1 we are getting good pot and implied odds to flop 2 pair or better.

Maybe I am the only one who doesn't put so much weight on the hand being suited, I don't know. All I know is that 9-1 is damn good, and given how poorly most .5/1ers play postflop you will get paid off if you hit 2 pair or better.

SlantNGo · #6 07-23-2005, 10:38 PM

Hands with some connected value, like JT and T9 I would consider here, in addition to suited hands as others mentioned. Q8 is just too crappy of a hand.

Greg J · #7 07-23-2005, 10:43 PM

9:1 is an illusion. If you were going all in this would apply, but this is basically a reverse implied odds thing. Even if the flop hits you this will make you a lot of second best hands you end up calling down.

This is a fold.

SoftcoreRevolt · #8 07-23-2005, 10:45 PM

We are about 4% to hit trips or two pair by the river, if I remember correctly, so 9-1 plus implied odds certaintly isn't enough.

Eeegah · #9 07-23-2005, 11:25 PM

Not to derail, but I think it would be a good idea to post the hand in question in the first post of these threads so we don't have to flip back and forth between tabs or windows. Just a suggestion.

GrunchCan · #10 07-24-2005, 12:35 AM

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He has a reasonable hand, Q8, and is getting 9 to one on a call which closes the action.

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In what way is this hand reasonable? Serious question. What do you think hero will make at showdown?

Overdefending the blinds is a common error. This hand should go in the muck. If the raiser was first in on the button, different story. But here the raiser is in the middle, and we could easily be dominated by a better Q or 8, or beat by a pair. Fold here.