Raise or Fold?

Two_Slick · #1 07-28-2005, 01:50 AM

Because no way is calling correct.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero ?

GrunchCan · #2 07-28-2005, 01:52 AM

Fold. You missed.

Two_Slick · #3 07-28-2005, 01:53 AM

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Fold. You missed.

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Did I? I don't think it's that clear cut.

To elaborate... 5.5 outs to a probable winner... getting 6 to 1. Not such an easy fold for me.

irishpint · #4 07-28-2005, 01:54 AM

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i think we can call here. we're getting 7:1 right now and can hope for an additional caller or 2. as it stands we have 5 outs to trips or 2 pair and a runner-runner nut straight (worth like .5 outs, holla). our possition sucks but I think I make this call and for the turn UI. if the table is very aggressive or very weak, that changes my play as well, but at a typical .50/1 table i think we can call this, since people will call here w/ A high alone.

GrunchCan · #5 07-28-2005, 01:56 AM

If you think UTG is betting whiffed overs, you might raise. You didn't supply a read, however. He open-limped from EP, which is not a thing LAGs typically do. So I assume typical .5/1 passive donk, and that donk isn't betting whiffed overs in to 5 opponents.

Two_Slick · #6 07-28-2005, 01:58 AM

SSHE says if the bet comes from your immediate right (in a situation like this) you should be inclined to raise or fold? Is this an exception to the rule (and why)?

GrunchCan · #7 07-28-2005, 01:59 AM

Our hand isn't worth 5 outs. Maybe 4.

GrunchCan · #8 07-28-2005, 02:00 AM

Raising might clean up your A outs by forcing others to fold.

irishpint · #9 07-28-2005, 02:01 AM

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i dont play much ring anymore, but aren't AT and AJ a raise from all positions?

Two_Slick · #10 07-28-2005, 02:06 AM

I'm not as worried about villain's hand in the sense that I have no good reason to think that he has anything more than a pair (probably Jx or something). Let me be more specific... how many outs do we assign to hero's hand... Kool Aid thinks 4. Anyone else? I'm leaning more towards 5 (~ .5 out for BDSD when KQ comes).