99 vs 65/11/2

[Watain]

Fold.

If we assume AA-JJ, AK and AQs as the starting hand then we are ahead the following %-age of the time:

Behind: AA+KK+QQ+JJ+AK = 6+1+6+6+8
In front of: AQs = 4

4/31 = 13%.

13% would in itself justify to continue. But since this is just the flop, we would most often pay some big bets to get to showdown. And even if he have AQ he still have 6 outs twice.

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Lets try the same, but this time we expand his card range to include AQo.

Behind: AA+KK+QQ+JJ+AK = 6+1+6+6+8
In front of: AQo = 16

16/43 = 37% !!

This would be a calldown i would think. Lets say you have 30% equity (due to his 6 outs). And we assume he bets all way and you call him down.

The pot would be 11.75 at showdown where you had to pay 2,5 to call him down. You expect to win 30% of the pot = 3.5. And you had to pay 2,5.

EV: 3,5-2,5 = 1.

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Based on these calculations it seems like a calldown is in place if you suspect him to have AQx in his likely pf capping range.

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Fold.

If we assume AA-JJ, AK and AQs as the starting hand then we are ahead the following %-age of the time:

Behind: AA+KK+QQ+JJ+AK = 6+1+6+6+8
In front of: AQs = 4

4/31 = 13%.

13% would in itself justify to continue. But since this is just the flop, we would most often pay some big bets to get to showdown. And even if he have AQ he still have 6 outs twice.

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Lets try the same, but this time we expand his card range to include AQo.

Behind: AA+KK+QQ+JJ+AK = 6+1+6+6+8
In front of: AQo = 16

16/43 = 37% !!

This would be a calldown i would think. Lets say you have 30% equity (due to his 6 outs). And we assume he bets all way and you call him down.

The pot would be 11.75 at showdown where you had to pay 2,5 to call him down. You expect to win 30% of the pot = 3.5. And you had to pay 2,5.

EV: 3,5-2,5 = 1.

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Based on these calculations it seems like a calldown is in place if you suspect him to have AQx in his likely pf capping range.

Did I screw this up? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Any AQ combination still has 13 outs going to the river. Hearts has even more.

[Watain]

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Fold.

If we assume AA-JJ, AK and AQs as the starting hand then we are ahead the following %-age of the time:

Behind: AA+KK+QQ+JJ+AK = 6+1+6+6+8
In front of: AQs = 4

4/31 = 13%.

13% would in itself justify to continue. But since this is just the flop, we would most often pay some big bets to get to showdown. And even if he have AQ he still have 6 outs twice.

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Lets try the same, but this time we expand his card range to include AQo.

Behind: AA+KK+QQ+JJ+AK = 6+1+6+6+8
In front of: AQo = 16

16/43 = 37% !!

This would be a calldown i would think. Lets say you have 30% equity (due to his 6 outs). And we assume he bets all way and you call him down.

The pot would be 11.75 at showdown where you had to pay 2,5 to call him down. You expect to win 30% of the pot = 3.5. And you had to pay 2,5.

EV: 3,5-2,5 = 1.

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Based on these calculations it seems like a calldown is in place if you suspect him to have AQx in his likely pf capping range.

Did I screw this up? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Any AQ combination still has 13 outs going to the river. Hearts has even more.

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Well, i did adjust for this by reducing the equity from 37 to 30. Maybe it´s not enough?

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Fold.

If we assume AA-JJ, AK and AQs as the starting hand then we are ahead the following %-age of the time:

Behind: AA+KK+QQ+JJ+AK = 6+1+6+6+8
In front of: AQs = 4

4/31 = 13%.

13% would in itself justify to continue. But since this is just the flop, we would most often pay some big bets to get to showdown. And even if he have AQ he still have 6 outs twice.

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Lets try the same, but this time we expand his card range to include AQo.

Behind: AA+KK+QQ+JJ+AK = 6+1+6+6+8
In front of: AQo = 16

16/43 = 37% !!

This would be a calldown i would think. Lets say you have 30% equity (due to his 6 outs). And we assume he bets all way and you call him down.

The pot would be 11.75 at showdown where you had to pay 2,5 to call him down. You expect to win 30% of the pot = 3.5. And you had to pay 2,5.

EV: 3,5-2,5 = 1.

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Based on these calculations it seems like a calldown is in place if you suspect him to have AQx in his likely pf capping range.

Did I screw this up? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Any AQ combination still has 13 outs going to the river. Hearts has even more.

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Well, i did adjust for this by reducing the equity from 37 to 30. Maybe it´s not enough?

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Oh, I didn't see this was a calculation on the flop. Given the turn J, and expanding the range to include TT and AJ, wouldn't this be a clear fold?

[Watain]

Sure. I was trying to figure out what to do on the flop.

[Redd]

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The pot would be 11.75 at showdown where you had to pay 2,5 to call him down.

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It looks to me like you're counting the 2.5 bets we invest here in the 11.75 bets that we win. Those are a cost and not a profit.

[Watain]

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The pot would be 11.75 at showdown where you had to pay 2,5 to call him down.

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It looks to me like you're counting the 2.5 bets we invest here in the 11.75 bets that we win. Those are a cost and not a profit.

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Im not sure about this.

But the way i see it is that we spend 2,5bb to win a pot of 11,75bb. Doesn´t really matter who have put the money into it. The "cost" is already into the equation, when we do the "profit"/"cost" thing.

[Redd]

While it's good for one to not think of money in the pot as one's money, at the point we're considering the calldown our money isn't in the pot yet. We're spending 2.5BB to win the money already in the pot plus our opponent's 2.5BB.