Is this a good time to check behind?

GoCubsGo · #1 07-26-2005, 01:22 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) converter

MP3 ($5.43)
CO ($5.01)
Hero ($5.43)
SB ($3.23)
BB ($6.07)
UTG ($1.78)
UTG+1 ($2.28)
MP1 ($1.71)
MP2 ($5.37)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.09, 3 folds, CO calls $0.09, Hero raises to $0.18, SB calls $0.17, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.09, CO calls $0.09.

Flop: ($0.74) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.5, SB calls $0.50, UTG+1 folds, CO folds.

Turn: ($1.74) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.8, SB calls $0.80.

River: ($3.34) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $3.34

I see a lot of strong hands check call flop, check call turn, and check raise the river. I thought there was a decent chance he had AA. I didn't think of it at the time, but he could have also had QQ and hit his set. I don't think I could call if he raised my bet. On the other hand, he could have had an ace and was chasing the 4. 66-JJ are also decent possibilities. I don't think he calls a bet with many hands that I have beat. Is a check on the river too weak?

djoyce003 · #2 07-26-2005, 01:28 PM

if he's waiting to checkraise the river with AA he's crazy. I'd go ahead and bet about half the pot. I think you are ahead more often than you are behind. If you get checkraised, then you have a decision to make. If this particular villain has checkraised rivers a lot, i'd go ahead and check behind because i want to see a showdown with this hand, but if he hasn't checkraised a lot of rivers i'd bet.

wdeadwyler · #3 07-26-2005, 01:31 PM

I also think that you are ahead here alot and a value bet is in order. Something along the lines of 1/3-1/2 the pot.

Cased Heel · #4 07-26-2005, 01:37 PM

raise more Pre flop.

Bet more on the flop.

Check behind him on turn.

Fire out behind his check on river. If he bets enough, just call.

GoCubsGo · #5 07-26-2005, 01:41 PM

Okay, so value bet the river. I make money from 66-JJ here. Is that what you put him on or do you think he calls after he missed his straight with ace high?

kevkev60614 · #6 07-26-2005, 01:56 PM

I like the check behind. He'll fold to a bet if he missed his draw, but raise if he has you beat.

bobbyi · #7 07-26-2005, 02:07 PM

You can't give a free card on the turn. He often has seven outs with AX.

GoCubsGo · #8 07-26-2005, 03:38 PM

Bobby is right. It would have been wrong to check the turn. Villain did indeed have 7 outs, showing AK. He called my check a stupid play, but I don't think it was. I would be surprised if he called a sizable river bet with AK and if I make a small bet, he may raise, sensing weakness.

RiverFenix · #9 07-26-2005, 03:49 PM

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Bobby is right. It would have been wrong to check the turn. Villain did indeed have 7 outs, showing AK. He called my check a stupid play, but I don't think it was. I would be surprised if he called a sizable river bet with AK and if I make a small bet, he may raise, sensing weakness.

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Villian had 3 outs and you showed weakness the entire way with your betting pattern. You shouldnt be afraid to get your money in when you have the overpair on a flop of unders.

swolfe · #10 07-26-2005, 03:53 PM

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Villian had 3 outs and you showed weakness the entire way with your betting pattern. You shouldnt be afraid to get your money in when you have the overpair on a flop of unders.

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four 4's make villain a straight.

to the OP:
your minraise preflop is pretty terrible

you need to bet more on the flop

i'd bet a little more on the turn

checking the river is standard unless you have a very good read that he has QQ/JJ and will pay you off.