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Old 11-20-2005, 08:04 PM
ShortySaurus ShortySaurus is offline
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Default Re: you see that the preflop raiser has QQ. You have T8s. You...

this is an ethical question as well--obviously calling is best but is it ethical? Isn't this cheating?
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:05 PM
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this is an ethical question as well--obviously calling is best but is it ethical? Isn't this cheating?

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im pretty sure the focus of this thread is NOT about the ethics of this, but on a purely strategical view.

if you want to discuss the ethics of this, post it in B&M or something.

i think i call here.
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:08 PM
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i just dont see why this was originally posted if the basis is purely strategical...its such an obvious call.......you will have a tremendous postflop advantage that folding would be retarded.....
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Old 11-20-2005, 09:16 PM
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Default Re: you see that the preflop raiser has QQ. You have T8s. You...

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i just dont see why this was originally posted if the basis is purely strategical...its such an obvious call.......you will have a tremendous postflop advantage that folding would be retarded.....

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then the decision is between calling/raising
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:45 AM
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Default Re: you see that the preflop raiser has QQ. You have T8s. You...

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i just dont see why this was originally posted if the basis is purely strategical...its such an obvious call.......you will have a tremendous postflop advantage that folding would be retarded.....

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then the decision is between calling/raising

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Remember, this could well be 4-way with a marginal hand, so position might merit a fold.

Raising is also worth considering. I think raise is clearly superior to call if he's got JJ, for instance.
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: you see that the preflop raiser has QQ. You have T8s. You...

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this is an ethical question as well--obviously calling is best but is it ethical? Isn't this cheating?

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if he blantently flashed his cards (meaning i wasnt leaning over and caught a look on accident), then i would continue playing the hand with the info and a hand or two later ,if he was still flashing his cards id say something about it.)

if he keeps doing it after that, well, he sure be more careful.
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:40 PM
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strategy view, EASY call, withe the stack sizes I don't raises unless he's the type of player that if I reraise he'll just call, and on any Axx Kxx or Jxx flop I'll take it away.

on the ethical part, I play a live limit game 10/20 a lot, and there is actually a "lot of card flashing." Due to players being drunk or just not caring. If someone is drunk and having a good time, and bringing that up would make them "come back down to earth" I just won't look and not tell them. If they're someone I don't like (about 2 in the game usually) I just cheat (yes I know it's unethical, but I detest these 2 so much, if they dropped there wallet I would take the money and give it to a homeless person, (returning the DL and credit cards etc.) If it's vs. a normal accidental card flasher I would just quitely tell them once, if they do it again, I would take full advantage of it.
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:44 PM
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Im never folding... Depending how well I know the player its either a very close call, a very easy call, or a very easy raise.
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