Top two pair c/r'ed on the turn. . .

Okay, I've been trying to clear the bonus at casino.net, and they have a terrible hand history system, so I'm going to have to do this on my own. Here we go:

Table is typical loose-passive. Unfortunately, I don't think Poker Tracker works at casino.net, and I was multi-tabling; my reads weren't very good. In general, button was weak-tight, CO was a calling station, and the blinds were new to the table (less than 15 hands each).

Casino.net .50/1 limit:

Hero is UTG with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Preflop:
Hero calls, 5 folds, CO calls, button calls, sb completes, bb checks.

Flop (5 handed, 5 small bets): K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Sb checks, bb checks, Hero bets, CO calls, button calls, sb folds, bb calls.

Turn (4 hands, 4.5 big bets): 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Sb checks, bb checks, Hero bets, CO calls, button folds, bb raises, Hero ????

[Eeegah]

KQo is juuuust at the bottom of my raising range UTG, but I don't hate a limp. The next 30 posts will be people who think limping is a horrible mistake.

You're obviously going to showdown here, and while he may be slowplaying a straight , made 2 pair, or 88 just hit a set. I'll put BB on a range of
88, AJ, KT, K8, QT, Q8, J9, T8, even though AJ might raise PF. You're soundly ahead of this range, 62%-38%. I say 3-bet.

Limping is a horrible mistake.

3-bet the turn. He most likely hit his two-pair

[McGahee]

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KQo is juuuust at the bottom of my raising range UTG, but I don't hate a limp. The next 30 posts will be people who think limping is a horrible mistake.


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Yeah but it's so much easier to play postflop! Huge mistake! OMG the sky is falling! It's almost as terrible as raising 3 limpers with QJs from the SB!

Yeah, I 3-bet with the intention of not getting capped and subsequently throwing up in my mouth.

[LoaferGee12]

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KQo is juuuust at the bottom of my raising range UTG, but I don't hate a limp. The next 30 posts will be people who think limping is a horrible mistake.

You're obviously going to showdown here, and while he may be slowplaying a straight , made 2 pair, or 88 just hit a set. I'll put BB on a range of
88, AJ, KT, K8, QT, Q8, J9, T8, even though AJ might raise PF. You're soundly ahead of this range, 62%-38%. I say 3-bet.

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I dunno I think a weak, Q-hi 2-pair just goes ahead and bets this turn. This play resembles more of a monster (straight or set). If this was a straight up raise (not a check-raise), I'm 3-betting this everytime. However, since it isn't, I think we may be behind here a bit much and we also want to keep CO in.

[ajm36]

I used to limp this PF from EP, but now I raise it--eventually you will too, but KQ will not be a losing hand if you don't. I 3-bet the turn and then punch my testicles when it gets capped (but throwing up in your mouth or peeing yourself is fine). If capped call down. If called, bet the riv.

[Shillx]

Wow limping is a horrible mistake.

[Eeegah]

That's five, only 25 more replies to go!

For me, pf KQ off is a 51% raise, 49% call with few reads, so I think limping here is OK. Bet the flop 100% of the time. Scary board for top 2. You need to see where you are quickly.

So the BB c/r you? He played any 2 here, which is another reason for raising your hand pf, although I doubt most fish will fold a hand like J9 from the BB.

What to do here? I lean towards raising to isolate the BB. The rest of the field wil have to call at least 2 & maybe 3 if BB caps. If he does, I call the cap bet.

On the riv, I bet if I catch a K or Q OR if there was no cap on the turn. Otherwise, I call the BB's bet.

[benkath1]

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Wow limping is a horrible mistake.

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Could you elaborate on this more? This is one of my EP trouble hands. Especially at lower limits against unknowns.

I'm 50/50 on raising KQo utg.