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Old 12-27-2005, 05:20 AM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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Default Two hands meet flop resistance, QKo, AKo, Top pairs

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em (NL$100) <font color="#0000FF">(5 handed)</font> link

BB ($183.65)
Hero ($104.45)
Button ($240.79)
SB ($102.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, Button calls $4.00, SB calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>.

Flop: ($13.00) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9.00</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $18.00</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $9.00.

Turn: ($49.00) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25.00</font>, Button calls $25.00.

River: ($99.00) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>





Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em (NL$100) <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

CO ($92.05)
Button ($202.58)
Hero ($106.98)
BB ($227.22)
UTG ($132.81)
MP ($100.67)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP calls $1.00, CO calls $1.00, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5.50</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP calls $5.00, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>.

Flop: ($14.00) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10.00</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $25.00</font>, Hero calls $15.00.

Turn: ($64.00) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25.00</font>, MP calls $25.00.

River: ($114.00) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Hand 1: Villain was very loose, I saw him call a raise and then a short stack push with A6 off, then lead into a dry sidepot when he flopped bottom pair on a coordinated dangerous board.

Hand 2: Villain unknown

What to do on these rivers?
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Old 12-27-2005, 08:25 AM
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Default Re: Two hands meet flop resistance, QKo, AKo, Top pairs

Bet more, especially on both turns, but I want more on the flops too. Hand1 get your money in(would be easier if you had bet more earlier), hand2 you have ~45 behind in a 114 pot? get the rest in there unless you think he'll bluff a missed draw or something
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Old 12-27-2005, 08:28 AM
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What's with the stop and go, you should be 3 betting the flop cause of the flush draws.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:55 AM
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Default Re: Two hands meet flop resistance, QKo, AKo, Top pairs

hand 1 I probably push, if he's as loose as you say, he'll call with lots of hands you beat.

Hand 2 is tougher..his play suggests AK or AQ..I think both check-calling and bet-folding are decent plays here.
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Old 12-27-2005, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: Two hands meet flop resistance, QKo, AKo, Top pairs

On both of these hands I was bet/folding the turn, however, you will see that the plan did not go as well as I hoped, as villain's smoothcalled. I could prob bet a dollar more on each flop, but the difference is trivial in my mind.

So, the general point of this post: What is your plan on these flops. And if you bet/fold turn, what is your plan when villain smoothcalls?
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:00 PM
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I've grown to abhor minraises, as they always seem to be monsters trying to swell a pot without scaring you out of them.

Hand 1, if villain is an established reckless LAg, then I push the river with extreme prejudice.

Hand 2, bet/fold.

Maybe I'm too weak tight, but big one pair pots can mean big trouble.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: Two hands meet flop resistance, QKo, AKo, Top pairs

Im not deep enough to b/f in hand 2. Its either push, C/C, or C/F.

Please say why you think one is better than the other.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:55 PM
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Default Re: Two hands meet flop resistance, QKo, AKo, Top pairs

Hand 2: If MP hit runners, thats bad. Your point in the hand were you needed to decide I think was the flop raise on you. Limp call raise by an unknown seems like a set line to me, but his smoothcall on the turn seems out of place for that line. Do you think villian plays his draws in that manner? I like a check call here because if he bets, even putting you all in, your getting about 3-1 on your call, and if hes on the draw you might get a free showdown, or pick off a bluff.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: Two hands meet flop resistance, QKo, AKo, Top pairs

Hand 1: I think if villan is a loose dumb moron, I think pushing is best. You will see a call from worse Qs and such.

Hand 2: I think villan may have 2 pair. A5s/A8 are possible, as is a weaker Ace. I think c/c is best. As stated before, stack sizes are not big enough to b/f. c/f MAY be an option, but I'm not so sure we have the worst hand just yet. I think c/c allows us (maybe) a cheaper showdown.
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