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Should I make the call?
Hello odds people. Here's the situation:
.50/1.00 nlhe cash game i'm in late position with KQo. early position raises to 3 dollars. two call and i call. (13.50 - 12+1.50 in the pot) Flop comes Jc-5s-5h So i'm sitting with two overcards. Preflop raiser bets 6 - call, call, on me and I CALL. (so the pot now has 37.50. I was sure the raiser had the jack. Was I correct to call here? Bb |
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Re: Should I make the call?
Welcome to the forums.
You should post this on the NL small stakes forum board. I don't like either the pf call or the flop call. But I don't play NL ring games. |
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Re: Should I make the call?
I wouldn't be calling preflop and I definitely wouldn't be calling the flop bet. #1 You're already behind. #2 You could be way behind (set of 5s) #3 even if your K or Q comes, theres a good chance one of the other callers has AQ or or AK, not to mention the fact that the original guy might have JK. You're most likely dead. MUCK.
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Re: Should I make the call?
i was the certain bettor had the jack, most likely AJ as i know her to not preflop raise without a strong ace (especially when she continued betting). So no way did she have a 5 unless it was pocket fives (in which case she wouldn't bet.
Turns out I was right and the Q hit the turn. Sure it was lucky, but at the point of the flop call, it seemed the implied odds were in my favor as I was certain my KQ were both safe overcards. Should also mentioned, she only had another $15 or so behind her and also i knew that three callers would slow her betting down. (anyone with a five would have raised the turn so I know I'd get the necessary info for 6 dollars). |
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Re: Should I make the call?
yup, great call on the flop. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Re: Should I make the call?
What if she has AA or KK, or 1 of the other callers has a 5? If your right and the best hand is AJ if you don't have any backdoor draws, your odds of winning versus 2 other random cards around 14% with 2 overs. Your not getting the odds to call this, obviously it won, but it doesn't mean the call is right.
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Re: Should I make the call?
how can you be certain that the other 2 callers don't have any of those cards? i wish I was so certain before I made calls of what others had. i know you can narrow there hand down, but being certain is a whole other thing.
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Re: Should I make the call?
Implied odds calculated putting in 6 to potentially win close to 80 (once heads up) if the card hit (i would have pushed all others on draws out with the 90 behind me) made sense. I agree the preflop call was questionable and KQ is a big loser, however i think i was priced in by the flop.
Again, had she shown no fear with the Q on the turn (or others hadn't folded) i would have had a good idea of where I actually was. Interesting implied odds situation. Bb |
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Re: Should I make the call?
perhaps certain is too strong a word, however, knowing people, and more importantly,knowing a call of 3 dollars in early position preflop implies something other than a single 5/AA/KK/QQ and often even AK (all hands that would dominate me. If they had 55 - fine, take my money.
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Re: Should I make the call?
this is like the defintion of not opening your mind to others views and defending your play to your death. Relax bob, we're not trying to hurt you - just help.
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