overcards flush draw... turn call ??

[Andrew Fletcher]

If you push the flop, I think you have a ton of folding equity. That min raise doesn't mean a flush-- I think there is a decent chance it means a queen. A push says you have the flush and since you've got the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] then you know he doesn't have the nut flush. If you figure your overcards are also possible outs than I think it's a good move.

[Hattifnatt]

A push on the flop definitely not screams flush, more AQ, KK or AK (with one [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img])

[creamdog]

"and how do you know he doesn't have a set or two pair?"
If he calls here with these hands, unless he for some reason thinks you are flat out bluffing then he should not be playing at this level, he should be playing .05/.10. He is getting 3-1 to 10 outs, 4.5-1, with the set and 4 outs with the 2 pair, 11-1. Neither of these are reasonable calls if he puts you on a flush, which he should be based on your play. So when he calls he is getting -ve EV thinking you have the flush. And you still have 8 good outs against both of those hands to hit the flush and win the hand. and you still have the straight outs.

[creamdog]

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A push on the flop definitely not screams flush, more AQ, KK or AK (with one [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img])

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A bet and a reraise on that flop, that screams flush to me, it was an average bet. When he min raises that says 2 pair, set or KK or AA, based on his preflop play, it is not aces or kings it might be bottom set, or more likely, 2 pair, it is also possible he has a low flush. The fact that he min raised shows that he has some respect for your hand and is afraid you have made a better hand, a push can likely push him of of this, he doesn't want to go broke here, he has shown some fear. If he had made it more than 8 I might say he has a good flush and he is not afraid of your hand and then I don't push because he will call. But with the nuts if he raises, how you you not reraise? And with the stacks, making him go all-in is the only meaningful raise, you dont make it 12 to go here that is just dumb, you are playing no limit for a reason.

[sourbeaver]

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So he should be able to fold to that quite easily, even with the K high flush.

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I do not fold the K high flush in this spot on that flop, ever.

[Hattifnatt]

Ok, then we are of different opinions.

He will NOT fold a 9 high flush to a reraise.

I don't think he will fold any hand better than KQ (or maybe AQ) to a push

[creamdog]

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So he should be able to fold to that quite easily, even with the K high flush.

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I do not fold the K high flush in this spot on that flop, ever.

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EVER?? And you are a retard.
Do you lose a lot of money? One of the big things in poker is knowing how to lay down a hand.
Playing in Halifax Casino in the summer I took a guy's entire stack 2nd hand after the table started because he wouldn't lay down the K high flush, I could have had the Ace high flush, but in actuality, I flopped the straight flush, and played it very aggressively once he gave me a little action, I gave him every opportunity to fold. I was showing my strength.

[Hattifnatt]

creamdog > you are just joking, right? (hope so for your own sake)

[element00]

me too, he thinks the lowest level of party = godly players?

i really hope creamdog is not serious in any of his posts.

[element00]

lol, I would never fold a flopped king high flush, are you [censored] serious man? if the a high beats you that's life definitely not on the $25's all the way up to the $200's probably [censored] it.. I think this guy takes party $25's way too seriously haha.