QQ OOP, how would you play it?

#1 12-01-2005, 10:40 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 is a LAG. PT is showing 31.93%/21.96%/3.13/14.81% (VP$IP/PFR/Post Flop agg factor/WtSD)

The previous hand I watched MP2 raise with QTo, fire a pot sized bet at a flop of rags. Fire another pot size bet on a missed turn. Check call a 1/2 pot bet on the river to show Q high.

MP2 ($111.15)
MP3 ($94.50)
CO ($147.56)
Button ($211.90)
SB ($119.17)
BB ($100)
UTG ($98.84)
Hero ($127)
UTG+2 ($83)
MP1 ($97.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, MP2 calls $4, 2 folds, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $12, Button folds, Hero raises to $24, MP2 calls $12.

Good flop for Q's. I'm not liking my position so I tried to turn it around a bit and set up for a check raise with an aggressor on my left. Is this a good line so far? Should I've raised more? Or is this line against the idea of playing a pair for a small pot? Should I've called?

Turn: ($61.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $25, MP2 calls $25.

Okay, that's not a great turn card. I just watched him take overcards to the river. What do I do here? Should I've fired more or go weak tight and check/fold?

River: ($111.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $35, Hero calls $35.

The previous hand is really ringing in my head when he bets. I put him on a A, but I just could not get away from the Q's. I guess I was hoping for a KJ. Should've laid this down getting 4 to 1 on my money?

Final Pot: $181.50

I am not concerned with the results. I would like to know what others think of how I played the hand.

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qh Qc (one pair, queens).
MP2 has Ac As (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins $181.50.

fuzzbox · #2 12-01-2005, 10:46 AM

Lead the flop, dont check/raise (certainly dont check-minraise).

Bet the turn properly, not 25 into a 60 pot.
And check/call the river is fine.

Essentially - against this particular flavour of moron (who can play Q-high for so much money) you are going to lose some chips with QQ here.

Isura · #3 12-01-2005, 10:50 AM

Yeah, lead this flop. It makes the hand easier to play and keeps the pot smaller. You only have 1 pair at this point. The river call is a must against this opponent. Too bad it didn't work out this time.

#4 12-01-2005, 11:03 AM

I was hoping to take the pot with the check raise. I agree the min-raise was bad, no horrible, but the raise button is so tempting.

The turn bet. How much should I've bet? Why? I felt I was beat at this point.

fuzzbox · #5 12-01-2005, 11:30 AM

If you feel that you are beat on the turn then you should check/fold.

I dont want to win the pot against this guy, I want to take as much from him with a hand that figures to be WAAAAY ahead of his range of hands.

Bet pot flop, bet pot turn (fold a raise), and then probably check/call river. Sucks that you lose to AAA, but if he can play QT for lots, then he can play many hands that you beat for lots.