Play a Hand With the Donks

fnurt · #1 09-25-2005, 12:13 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t7515)
MP3 (t16402)
CO (t5035)
Button (t23220)
SB (t17325)
Hero (t13575)
UTG (t10165)
UTG+1 (t21350)
MP1 (t7495)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 raises to t800, 1 fold, Button calls t800, SB calls t600, Hero calls t400.

Flop: (t2800) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets t800, Button calls t800, SB calls t800, Hero calls t800.

Turn: (t6000) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets t1200, Button raises to t2400, SB calls t2400, Hero...

bweiser8311962 · #2 09-25-2005, 12:16 AM

i hate to fold top two pair, but i think this is an easy one ... you have a straight, a flush or a set that could be beating you. if you're call closed the action, i might be more inclined to call. but mp3 can reraise and he has you covered.

fnurt · #3 09-25-2005, 12:59 AM

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i hate to fold top two pair, but i think this is an easy one ... you have a straight, a flush or a set that could be beating you. if you're call closed the action, i might be more inclined to call. but mp3 can reraise and he has you covered.

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You're probably right. I wonder if I was supposed to play the flop differently.

mrh86 · #4 09-25-2005, 01:32 AM

You're in for 2,800. You have to call the river.

Dave D · #5 09-25-2005, 01:41 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t7515)
MP3 (t16402)
CO (t5035)
Button (t23220)
SB (t17325)
Hero (t13575)
UTG (t10165)
UTG+1 (t21350)
MP1 (t7495)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 raises to t800, 1 fold, Button calls t800, SB calls t600, Hero calls t400.

Flop: (t2800) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets t800, Button calls t800, SB calls t800, Hero calls t800.

Turn: (t6000) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets t1200, Button raises to t2400, SB calls t2400, Hero...

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God I hate this situation, but what you gotta remember is you're playing that QJ for straight value, not top pair, and not for two pair when there are so many other actors, one of whom defiantly made his flush given taht action. I think this is an easier fold than you want to believe.

Notice the min raise on the turn with the original bettor still to act? Calling here is just asking for trouble, I think you can pretty easily bail out here as you're only good if you river a boat...which isn't happening. I don't really like the flop call either (though it may be weak tight), but again, you're not playing this hand for top pair. I think a raise is much better than calling, to at least see where you were at, but I would have folded.

ekky · #6 09-25-2005, 01:43 AM

he has to get to the river first.

Also it doesn't matter how much he is in for... thats gone.

All that matters is how he equates his pot equity, and whether the pot is laying him the correct price. If so, call, if not, fold

too many people say to themselves *oh well, I already put this much in, I mite as well put some more in* when its an obtuse way to look at things

To the OP, Id raise the flop a generous amount, and then re-evaluate on turn.

In this situation, Id be tempted to chuck it away on the turn.

The fear of MP3 raising again, and then you folding is too real to commit 2400 chips to the pot with no assurance of even seeing a river.

fnurt · #7 09-25-2005, 01:56 AM

Check-raising the flop with top pair bad kicker, in general, seems like an expensive way to play. Does anyone like betting out on the flop?

betgo · #8 09-25-2005, 02:02 AM

I would put in a big raise on the flop. There is a lot of money in there. Put in a pot sized raise or push.

ekky · #9 09-25-2005, 02:03 AM

my bad, i dint see the check. In this case, Id only be checking the flop with the intention of raising.

Check calling is gonna see too many *scare* cards on the turn to fade multiple opponents.

Preference is definitely with the lead out in these spots..

SixgunSam · #10 09-25-2005, 02:14 AM

I don't mind the way you played it, but if you play it that way, you're going to have to give it up to action on a heart, K, A, J or 9 on the turn. I do think you have the best hand on the flop, but this is a murky situation and I think a cautious approach is a good one here.