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10-19-2005, 06:37 PM
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Hellmuth and Math
A math-type player would never be able to make that AK laydown against AA on that kind of board. The math type would just say, "Okay, I have AK and there's another Ace on the board and this will lower the chances that he has AA by so and so %, therefore, I call". The math type would have been broke at that point.
To be a poker genius like Hellmuth you have to go above just mere math. He could have swept Jesus (a math guy) in the heads up championship. But Jesus got lucky that one time. Hellmuth still totally outplayed him. Before folding his AK in the WSOP 2005 televised event, Hellmuth asked the guy a question like, "Do you remember my name?" And he folded based on that guy's response to this. Poker genius displayed on a grand scale. Hellmuth may not be the best all around player but he is the best nolimit hold'em player. 
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#2
10-19-2005, 06:42 PM
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Re: Hellmuth and Math
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A math-type player would never be able to make that AK laydown against AA on that kind of board. The math type would just say, "Okay, I have AK and there's another Ace on the board and this will lower the chances that he has AA by so and so %, therefore, I call". The math type would have been broke at that point. [/ QUOTE ] phil thought he had QQ. at least, thats what he asked him. ur point is moot.
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#3
10-19-2005, 06:46 PM
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Re: Hellmuth and Math
As I posted in the OTHER thread about this very hand....
The tells that the guy gave off were freaking OBVIOUS (and painful to watch actually). The board was AQTT when the guy (who struck me as the kind of guy who is normally a passive player) bet $10k. Phil is already behind AQ, KJ and any T (as well as QQ and AA). There aren't a whole lot of hands that Phil beats that the guy would make such a large bet with (another AK maybe?? AJ or KK?? not likely). Decent laydown?? Yes. Great laydown?? No.
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10-20-2005, 12:40 PM
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Re: Hellmuth and Math
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As I posted in the OTHER thread about this very hand.... The tells that the guy gave off were freaking OBVIOUS (and painful to watch actually). The board was AQTT when the guy (who struck me as the kind of guy who is normally a passive player) bet $10k. Phil is already behind AQ, KJ and any T (as well as QQ and AA). There aren't a whole lot of hands that Phil beats that the guy would make such a large bet with (another AK maybe?? AJ or KK?? not likely). Decent laydown?? Yes. Great laydown?? No. [/ QUOTE ] I could lay it down, and im not remotely good - I certainly wouldnt need a read so concrete that the other guy basicly showed me his hand, thats for sure.
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#6
10-19-2005, 06:47 PM
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Re: Hellmuth and Math
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To be a poker genius like Hellmuth you have to go above just mere math. [/ QUOTE ] So much for you David Sklansky! A "mere" Math Guy ...yuck, phooey! That was quite a laydown though....I bet more people take shots at Helmuth in the future...Hmmm...already happened...seems I recall someone pushing in with K,Js against him. I wonder if he brought it on himself with all of his great laydowns. Vince
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#7
10-19-2005, 07:00 PM
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Re: Hellmuth and Math
He had the KJ dude dominated with his AK. He lost because of bad luck. Phil is a genius at putting his money in with the best of it during key times. He is a psychology genius when it comes to reading and manipulating other players. But he really needs help with his own psychology. Perhaps his psychiatrist wife should help.
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#8
10-19-2005, 08:53 PM
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Re: Hellmuth and Math
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He had the KJ dude dominated with his AK. [/ QUOTE ] Right "dude" Helmuth had the AK. I believe that I said, (with a bit of humor but true nonetheless) I wonder if more people will take a shot at him. When a poker player makes what he calls "grest" laydowns, then advertises them he exposes himself at being shot at by good and not so good poker players with mediocre hands. I bet that "GENIUS" Helmuth finds that happeneing more and more often. I believe that it is one of the reasons that not so GENIUS Eric Seidel does not want to show his hole cards on tv or anywhere else. But what does he know. Vince
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#9
10-20-2005, 12:40 PM
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Re: Hellmuth and Math
I don't remember if it was an all-in situation (just deleted it from TiVo) but earlier, during the period when he wouldn't shut up about how he was steaming, Phil was dominated (KT vs JT?) and caught his 3-outer. He didn't say a word about sucking out, donkey play, can't spell poker... nada.
And his wife is a Psychiatrist? Either she's the world's worst head shrinker, or he is truly beyond help. The guy is socially maladjusted, and she seems to enable him.
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#10
10-19-2005, 06:49 PM
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Re: Hellmuth and Math
If by "math-type player" you mean "someone who has no ability to read people or read hands and has no understanding of what anybody else at the table is doing" then yes, you are correct. Someone who can't read people or hands can't fold there. But someone who can looks at that old guy who hasn't played a hand in 15 orbits suddenly reraises you, you have to consider his possible hands.
In fact, the fact that he waits 15 orbits to play a hand should indicate to a "math guy" who pays attention that he's only playing ultra-premium hands, reraising at the most with AA/KK/QQ/AK/AQ...and a math-type guy would say, I split with 1 of those, lose to 3 of them, and beat 1 of them, so I should fold. And the flop was A44, turn Q, no tens on board as mentioned previously.
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