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Old 11-14-2005, 04:01 PM
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Hey everybody,

I'm a long time lurker, but this is my first post. Just wanted to say how beneficial i've found this site in general.

I know no one likes bad beat stories, but i felt compared to share this one. Fortunately, it happened to my friend and not to me.

Casino Niagara in Niagara Falls Canada. Game is 1/2 NL.

Long story short my friend paired the board on the river to make is full house and the villian had a king high flush (NOT A STRAIGHT FLUSH). My friend, flipped over his cards revealing his hand and turned to grab a drink from the waitress that had been patiently waiting for his hand to finish. When he looked back the dealer had raked the pot to the player with the flush. Obviously, my friend was not impressed and called the floor over. They informed him that it was the player's responsibility to ensure the pot gets raked to the proper player and once the chips have been distributed thats final. He was upset, and very politely asked the guy to split the pot or just give him his money back. This "gentlemen" decided that the $500 pot was that important and left right away. Just wondering if this is a normal house rule as I have never heard of it. Thanks.
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Old 11-14-2005, 04:17 PM
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Hey everybody,

I'm a long time lurker, but this is my first post. Just wanted to say how beneficial i've found this site in general.

I know no one likes bad beat stories, but i felt compared to share this one. Fortunately, it happened to my friend and not to me.

Casino Niagara in Niagara Falls Canada. Game is 1/2 NL.

Long story short my friend paired the board on the river to make is full house and the villian had a king high flush (NOT A STRAIGHT FLUSH). My friend, flipped over his cards revealing his hand and turned to grab a drink from the waitress that had been patiently waiting for his hand to finish. When he looked back the dealer had raked the pot to the player with the flush. Obviously, my friend was not impressed and called the floor over. They informed him that it was the player's responsibility to ensure the pot gets raked to the proper player and once the chips have been distributed thats final. He was upset, and very politely asked the guy to split the pot or just give him his money back. This "gentlemen" decided that the $500 pot was that important and left right away. Just wondering if this is a normal house rule as I have never heard of it. Thanks.

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Well...most places I play in would be concerned with whether or not your buddy tabled the hand. If he did, then the pot should go to him, regardless of how he reads it. So...no, not a typical house rule.

That said, what the villain did afterward was shady, but irrelevant.
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Old 11-14-2005, 04:29 PM
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Hey everybody,

I'm a long time lurker, but this is my first post. Just wanted to say how beneficial i've found this site in general.

I know no one likes bad beat stories, but i felt compared to share this one. Fortunately, it happened to my friend and not to me.

Casino Niagara in Niagara Falls Canada. Game is 1/2 NL.

Long story short my friend paired the board on the river to make is full house and the villian had a king high flush (NOT A STRAIGHT FLUSH). My friend, flipped over his cards revealing his hand and turned to grab a drink from the waitress that had been patiently waiting for his hand to finish. When he looked back the dealer had raked the pot to the player with the flush. Obviously, my friend was not impressed and called the floor over. They informed him that it was the player's responsibility to ensure the pot gets raked to the proper player and once the chips have been distributed thats final. He was upset, and very politely asked the guy to split the pot or just give him his money back. This "gentlemen" decided that the $500 pot was that important and left right away. Just wondering if this is a normal house rule as I have never heard of it. Thanks.

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Well...most places I play in would be concerned with whether or not your buddy tabled the hand. If he did, then the pot should go to him, regardless of how he reads it. So...no, not a typical house rule.

That said, what the villain did afterward was shady, but irrelevant.

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Actually the rule that it is a players responsibility to protect his hand is a typical house rule.
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Old 11-14-2005, 04:33 PM
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You need to protect your hand until the pot is pushed to you.
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Old 11-14-2005, 04:37 PM
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Actually the rule that it is a players responsibility to protect his hand is a typical house rule.

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Actually the rule is that the best tabled hand wins and it is the dealer's responsibility to get it right.

That said, my rule is, the waitress and the drink can wait (one wonders how many drinks the friend had and if he really had a FH). My other rule is, give me the $500 pot and only then will I let go of my cards.
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Old 11-14-2005, 04:55 PM
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Same rule for my casino and a quite a few others I played at. I wouldn't call it a Bad Beat story, more like a lesson learned story. When you got that much dough on the table, unless the waitress is Pam Anderson, you better pay attention. As a matter of practice I like to declare my hands when it is a big pot, so the dealer knows what hand they're looking at. Sometimes (most are guilty of it), when you look at a board some hands just stand out at you and you don't expect someone to be playing K4 off.

As for the other player, shame on him. Its a game and you should expect to lose. It is far worse to be the pariah of the casino (if you're a regular) and pull that kind of stuff. I hope is son needed a kidney transplant, then at least the money would have been good for something instead of going up his nose.....
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:02 PM
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In response to a couple of these. I agree my friend learned a valuable lesson, and I'm pretty sure I would have made sure such a large pot was coming my way before i turned to get the drink. But doesn't change the fact that it totally sucks, and the guy is a total creep who pulled this S***. My favourite part of the whole thing is that the casino didn't offer anything for their dealer's error. Finally, my friend asked if they would comp his buffet and they reluctanly agreed.
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:28 PM
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But doesn't change the fact that it totally sucks, and the guy is a total creep who pulled this S***.

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If you are talking about the guy with the flush, remember...

A. From your story, neither the dealer nor anybody at the table saw this Full House. Maybe your friend was mistaken.

B. I have a flush, I cannot see your hand, the dealer mucks your hand...I ain't giving you squat because you claim you had a Full House.

C. The Flush didn't "pull" anything. Your friend's complaint is with himself, the dealer, and the house.

D. I hope the buffet and the waitress was worth $500.
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:56 PM
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Nobody asked for a manager?
They have no cameras in this joint?
They have no gaming control board?
You settled a $500 pot for eggrolls and chicken wings?

I call BS

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Old 11-14-2005, 06:08 PM
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My friend had a full house of 10's full of 7's. Flopped the set of ten's and paired the board on the river. Definitley a bad suckout, but not the point of the post. The floor was called over and reiterated that it was the player's responsibility and not the dealer's to ensure the pot went to the proper player. The argument went on for a few minutes because the cards were face up on the table, they had been brought into a pile but not sent into the muck. I'm not sure I understand why they couldn't go to the cameras to determine how much was in the pot. Any ideas?
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