I always pay off

[DMBFan23]

Party 5/10, opponent is like 25/11 I guess.

I open black AJ UTG, BB defends.

flop Ac 4d 7d, check-bet-call
turn 8s, check-bet-raise

I almost always call down these turn checkraises regardless of board texture if I have TPGK here (GK = 9 or better, in this case). tell me if I'm wrong pls.

[mperich]

I pay off too much here as well. I dunno. Im gonna start folding in spots like this more I think. I just havent been shown as many turn cr bluffs as usual lately.

-Mike

[oreogod]

thats tough. Its probably a good fold, but Id have to know his intricacies first. Like will he make retarded plays at the pot, or be willing to CR a pair + draw...etc or does he make solid raises that have u drawing for 3 outs at best.

Against just numbers this is tough, but some that do help in PAhud are the Call Continuation Bet and FOld Continuation bests...along with raise turn and Won SD when Raise Turn stats. Over a decent number of hands it can help clear some of these situations up. (on the table I have VPIP, PFR, Tot AF, Went to SD, Attempt to steal, Fold BB to steal and Call/Fold CB).

Still hard to hit the button to muck. Anyway, those numbers I mentioned could help u out.

[Surfbullet]

I call these down and write it off to metagame. If the board were significantly more dangerous i'd consider a fold.

Surf

[tolbiny]

dude i basically call down here with no pair top kicker.

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I call these down and write it off to metagame. If the board were significantly more dangerous i'd consider a fold.

Surf

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That adds up to be a pretty expensive metagame purchase.
I'm not saying I auto-fold (or even fold at all) in spots like this. I usually call too. But here's what happens inside my head:

Flop: *Yay, I hit an ace...time to bet my lock hand*

Turn: *Good card, I still feel pretty safe*....(Our House gets raised).....*WTF!! OK, I could be drawing dead, BUT...I think most likely either I have outs to his two pair or I can be ahead to a margin of error for his bad play...I'll call*

River: *SH!T I missed. But the pot's too big at this point....I only have to be good 1 in XX times....I CALL AGAIN*

(Disappointment sets as villain shows AK or A8 or his set)

*What a fish I am...I KNEW I should've mucked on the turn, but I keep doing this. I wonder if other 2+2ers also do this*

Can anyone relate?

[flawless_victory]

folding here would be absolutely horrible.
this post should be about whether to threebet here, jesus.

[scotty34]

I call this down almost always as well. I certainly get shown A2 or a diamond draw or other crap often enough.

[mperich]

Against a 25/11 in the party 5/10?

-Mike

[flawless_victory]

yes.