Why the war on drugs will never be won

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You need to explain this one to us. What makes alcohol worse? Your reasoning for why drugs should be illegal is very similar to the arguments used by those in favor of Prohibition and I think we all know how well that worked out.


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I can enjoy alcohol every weekend, have a good time, and no one gets hurt. I cant enjoy crystal meth on the weekends in between work, school, and my family. Period. Duh. Did you really need that explained or are you playing dumb to make some kind of point?


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I have already pointed out that underage drinking is rampant.

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Here's another no brainer. If alcohol became legal to all ages, would underage drinking go up a lot or go down a lot? Big deal? Maybe, but we're not talking about alcohol, you want to legalize all drugs. Now, think about this one - if crystal meth became legal, would use of crystal meth go up a lot, or down a lot?

Its just difficult to argue with people who have never seen a meth or heroine addict and think its noble to fight for a cause to let people exercise their God given rights to ruin their lives and the lives of everyone that loves them and/or depends on them with these drugs - rather than do the sensible thing and try as best as we can as a society to prevent as many people as possible from being lured into these temptations by preemptively eliminating as much supply as possible and making people aware of their effects.

Allow me to quote a poster from OOT:

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A friend of mine that got hooked on meth has lost his wife and two kids, a succesful small business, and as far as I know every friend that he had before he became an addict.

He has stolen from his best friend and business partner (amongst others) along with causing them to default on a sizable business loan.

I talked to him several times a week for years. I don't even know if he's alive.


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Stories like this would be a dime a dozen if heroine and meth were cheap and legal.

[hmkpoker]

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I cant enjoy crystal meth on the weekends in between work, school, and my family.

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Yes, you can. I know a lot of people who do.

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I can enjoy alcohol every weekend, have a good time, and no one gets hurt.

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...and weed, shrooms, salvia, dex, oxy, opium, acid, e, coke...

You don't know anything about drugs, do you?

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Drug use belongs in this category.

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Drugs don't belong in this category because everything you listed provides much more benefit to individuals and to society than their costs.

What benefits do heroine and crystal meth provide individuals? What benefits do they provide society?

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(I have yet to hear of one good argument for why cannabis should be illegal)


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Im not addressing pot. Im addressing the ridiculous notion that has been stated several times in this thread (by people with no real clue as to what these drugs are capable of) that heroine and crystal meth should be legalized and cheap and made available to all who simply demand it.

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And lastly, the war on drugs hasn't DONE anything useful!

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I agree, I think the war on drugs could be fought in a much different and better way. It almost seems like it is being run by people who likewise have no real life experience with various drugs and their effects.

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P.S. Look at prohibition. Did that accomplish anything useful?

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Like I said, alcohol is in a completely different category than crystal meth et al.

[BCPVP]

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I can enjoy alcohol every weekend, have a good time, and no one gets hurt. I cant enjoy crystal meth on the weekends in between work, school, and my family. Period. Duh. Did you really need that explained or are you playing dumb to make some kind of point?

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And what about people who can't enjoy alcohol every weekend? Maybe their tolerance for alcohol is lower than yours and their risk of addiction is higher. Does that justify making alcohol illegal for everyone?

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Here's another no brainer. If alcohol became legal to all ages, would underage drinking go up a lot or go down a lot? Big deal? Maybe, but we're not talking about alcohol, you want to legalize all drugs.

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No one here is advocating drugs be legal for all ages, so this is a strawman.

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Its just difficult to argue with people who have never seen a meth or heroine addict and think its noble to fight for a cause to let people exercise their God given rights to ruin their lives and the lives of everyone that loves them and/or depends on them with these drugs - rather than do the sensible thing and try as best as we can as a society to prevent as many people as possible from being lured into these temptations by preemptively eliminating as much supply as possible and making people aware of their effects.

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There's no end to amount of ways in which we can ruin our lives. But the government doesn't legislate all of these away. Take gambling, something you should be familiar with if you're at this site. Gambling can be addictive to some people and they can ruin their lives and hurt their loved ones while gambling. We know this is the case, so why aren't you advocating that gambling be illegal? Maybe the solution should be let people do what they want and try to educate them as best we can about the consequences of their actions. This way, we allow people to keep their freedoms AND help protect them from making life-ruining mistakes.

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Stories like this would be a dime a dozen if heroine and meth were cheap and legal.

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And with the amount of money the gov't is saving by not persuing the drug war, much of it could be spent to prevent such things.

You know, sex has ruined a few people's lives. You can get terrible STDs while trying to engage in sex and can spread them to others, thus ruining their lives. Maybe sex should be illegal? We can just switch to in-vitro fertilization to continue procreating. So why is it that we haven't outlawed sex yet?

To me, you just can't logically hold that some social activites that may cause harm to the consensual users should be illegal while others that also cause harm should not.

[Borodog]

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There's no end to amount of ways in which we can ruin our lives. But the government doesn't legislate all of these away. Take gambling, something you should be familiar with if you're at this site. Gambling can be addictive to some people and they can ruin their lives and hurt their loved ones while gambling. We know this is the case, so why aren't you advocating that gambling be illegal? Maybe the solution should be let people do what they want and try to educate them as best we can about the consequences of their actions. This way, we allow people to keep their freedoms AND help protect them from making life-ruining mistakes.


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Anyone who argues that drugs should be illegal who frequents this particular board has got to be a gigantic hypocrite, since every argument they make can just as easily be applied to gambling. But since gambling is their particular vice, it must be different.

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...and weed, shrooms, salvia, dex, oxy, opium, acid, e, coke...


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Shrooms and acid every weekend. How many weekends in a row until you lost your mind and ended up in a mental institution? (I already know the answer to this question)

Salvia, ox and dex are legal as far as I know.

E I know nothing about.

Ive done my share of coke and dont necessarily have an opinion on it at the moment.

Since you asked

[AngryCola]

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Shrooms and acid every weekend. How many weekends in a row until you lost your mind and ended up in a mental institution? (I already know the answer to this question)

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How many?

[DVaut1]

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You know, sex has ruined a few people's lives. You can get terrible STDs while trying to engage in sex and can spread them to others, thus ruining their lives. Maybe sex should be illegal? We can just switch to in-vitro fertilization to continue procreating. So why is it that we haven't outlawed sex yet?

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Give it time, my friend.

Just wait until those liberal femi-Nazis join forces with Falwell and his ilk...in a supreme effort to outlaw and condemn all kinds of perversions like the objectification of women, internet pornography, haltertops, Paris Hilton, and the like.

Fear the Femi-Fallwellians.

[Rduke55]

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Shrooms and acid every weekend. How many weekends in a row until you lost your mind and ended up in a mental institution? (I already know the answer to this question)

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How many?

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I'd be interested in hearing the answer to this as well.
remids me of the "Perma-frying" post in another thread.

3 weekends in a row (intraweek use as well) up to half oz per day. Kid lived on my friends floor at UNCW freshman year, one weekend he somehow ended up in upstate New York naked and in the woods, didnt know who he was and he still doesnt. He completely lost his mind for good apparently.