Hand from 2+2 table last night

scotty34 · #1 12-12-2005, 08:14 PM

The table is currently 4-handed, with myself, jba, Spicymoose and PokerSparky. The game has been very aggressive, with steals and resteals everywhere.

I'm giving this hand from jba's perspective b/c I think that makes it more interesting. I believe my image is quite LAG, and I have also been making strange and tricky plays (some dumb). I would 3-bet PF here with any A, any PP, and probably any two cards over 10.

jba is in the SB with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Sparky and Spicymoose fold. jba raises, and I 3-bet, jba calls.

Flop comes 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
jba checks, I bet, he C/R, I 3-bet and he caps.

Turn T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
jba bets and I call.

River T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

How is the play so far? What is the plan for the river?

#2 12-12-2005, 08:42 PM

At first, I didn't like the flop cap as it just encourages Scotty to slow down with missed overs on later streets. On further reflection, though, a cap is nice. Our equity is approaching 50 percent (somewhere between 9.5 and 14.5 outs, depending on if our two pair or trips outs are tainted) and if he's really on overcards we don't want to give him a free card on the turn. If we get raised on the turn we're really only putting in two bets, as we're folding UI when we don't hit trips, two pair or the straight.

If there's no raise against us on the turn, I like bet/folding the river. Occasionally, Scotty might also fold a better 4 on the river, even if this chance is approaching 0 % :-).

Overall, it looks good, even though I desperately wanted to say it was wrong.

POKhER · #3 12-12-2005, 08:49 PM

bet the river? Last ditch attempt to win the pot? me thinks 5 high wont win often [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I'd prob not of capped the flop.

p.s. What stakes? Pm me next time theres 2+2 table if you can mate [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Weatherhead03 · #4 12-12-2005, 08:52 PM

jba has a pair of 4's as well.

scotty34 · #5 12-12-2005, 08:54 PM

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bet the river? Last ditch attempt to win the pot? me thinks 5 high wont win often [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I'd prob not of capped the flop.

p.s. What stakes? Pm me next time theres 2+2 table if you can mate [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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He doesn't have 5 high, he has a pair of 4's.

This was at 3/6, but I don't think we will play at that limit next time, as the rake is obscene.

jba · #6 12-12-2005, 08:56 PM

"I would 3-bet PF here with any A, any PP, and probably any two cards over 10."

you forgot about Q7o [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

PS: nice hand to pick, this is the one I would have picked too

edit: IMO the river question from my viewpoint is whether or not to value bet. I don't think scotty is folding a better hand here ever.

scotty34 · #7 12-12-2005, 09:01 PM

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"I would 3-bet PF here with any A, any PP, and probably any two cards over 10."

you forgot about Q7o [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

PS: nice hand to pick, this is the one I would have picked too

edit: IMO the river question from my viewpoint is whether or not to value bet. I don't think scotty is folding a better hand here ever.

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haha, I thought we weren't going to bring up that Q7o [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

when you bet, am I going to call a worse hand ever?

oreogod · #8 12-12-2005, 09:49 PM

check/call if he's truly lag , if he will call with high cards here then bet (if he calls with those, thats kind of bleh unless he thinks u were making a move with a gutshot or whatever on a low rainbow board). 3betting this flop w/o a pair or w/o something like A7 is also pretty lame, even then w/ A7o Im not 3betting a c/r on a rainbow board which is either a pair, draw or a move. Id maybe call the river w/ A7, I also sometimes raise some turns. I know if u have a gutshot u also usually have good pair outs, I just dont see how 3betting this flop would do u any good though: u stop bluffs, sometimes get 3bet by a pair or draw, sometimes just get called down by a pair or draw.

Also I hate folding 54s preflop, but the 3/6 structure is pretty lame, so I think raising this, out of position to a lag/tag, having to invest more in a 1/3 blind structure w/ rake to think about, is not so hot.

(Question: Does anybody raise 54s preflop here, in a 1/3 blind structure if u didnt have to think about rake?)

Roy6 · #9 12-12-2005, 09:14 PM

Postflop I like both sides, but I don't get the SB openraise against TAG with this crap at 1/3 blinds.

Redeye · #10 12-12-2005, 09:35 PM

I like a check on the river for sure. I think jba has to call a bet because you may take a shot on the river here enough of the time. From you're perspective, what would jba be capping on the flop? It really has to be a pair at this point. He's not going to spew that much with something like A5, or some other 5. After he caps the flop and leads the turn, you are putting him on a pair and are probably only calling a river bet if you have a better hand.