Cold-Call 99 in MP3- weak post flop?

NobodysFreak · #1 09-21-2005, 10:25 PM

Villian is new to the table so I don't have any definitive reads. As for the players behind me, they're loose pre-flop and have been cold-calling many raises so my cold-call was in the spirit of bringing them along.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises, [color=#666666]3 folds, Hero calls, [color=#666666]4 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
UTG checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets, UTG calls.

This is where I have a problem. Granted, Villain can have any two cards here, but with no reads, I'm giving him something like JJ-AA, and high cards. He called my flop bet which can mean just about anything, but lately it means over pair to the flop and/or set.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 3.75 BB

Anyone bet the turn or river? What if I get c/r? Would you call down or fold if no over cards came?

closer2313 · #2 09-21-2005, 10:35 PM

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He called my flop bet which can mean just about anything, but lately it means over pair to the flop and/or set.

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He probably has 2 over cards.
Bet the turn at least. I'm also 3 betting preflop.

NobodysFreak · #3 09-21-2005, 10:42 PM

I didn't 3-bet pre-flop because I didn't want to push the loose/passives behind me out. My main goal in the hand was to hit a set because villian was an unknown. If I had more information on his PF starting selection, I would have raised this with a read.

What do I do if I'm c/r on the turn? The pot is small and really not worth going to war for, but seeing a free river card which could potentially make me a set seemed like a good idea at the time. I didn't bet the river because I figured I'm only getting called by a better hand.

gopnik · #4 09-21-2005, 11:18 PM

I think pocket 9s are too good to play just for a set value. I'd reraise preflop and try to isolate.

Greg J · #5 09-21-2005, 11:55 PM

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I didn't 3-bet pre-flop because I didn't want to push the loose/passives behind me out.

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A great reason to 3 bet this is to get them to fold! Seriously, the less people in this hand against you the better! If you are playing a hand for set value only you generally want more than four people or plenty of dead money in the pot. 99 is too good of a hand to play for just set value. I'm sure plenty of other people have already told you this in the thread.

I rarely say this becuase too many people on this forum say this WAAAAY too much (and are often wrong): you think weak tight. Sometimes you have to sling yr balls over yr shoulder and BET!

#6 09-21-2005, 10:43 PM

There's quite a bit more hands to raise with UTG than just AA-JJ. Don't forget AQ+ and AJs+. Also, many people like to limp with AA-KK UTG hoping to 3 bet a late position raiser.

If you have a particular read that UTG is super-tight, then I don't mind the turn check. But, I'd bet that river. Maybe this is weak, not sure. I think a better line is to bet the turn hoping for a call by 2 overcards, and to fire again on the river. I might fold to a turn raise, but again, that may be weak.

Looking forward to other responses.

#7 09-21-2005, 10:59 PM

I personally would have at least bet the river after he checked to me. If he was trying to hit you with a c/r on the turn, I doubt he would try it again on the river especially if he thought he had a winning hand....

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irishpint · #8 09-21-2005, 11:07 PM

this hand is pretty poor all together.

3bet pf, even terrible players have trouble calling 3 bets, and we dont want Ax, Kx, etc coming along.

Bet the flop, good. The one thing you did right. Him calling means he has overcards and is very weak, since he ought to lead this flop w/ anything. bet the turn, he has nothing. 1/2 the time he'll call w/ overs and the other half of the time you'll take the pot. Bet the river. Most of the time he folds, every now an then he'll call w/ his A high.

By my count, you cost yourself between 1.5-2.5 bets on this hand.

#9 09-21-2005, 11:13 PM

Isn't 3-betting an UTG raiser with no read marginal?

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 42.4039 % 42.20% 00.20% { 99 }
Hand 2: 57.5961 % 57.39% 00.20% { TT+, ATs+, KJs+, AQo+, KQo }

How do you extend UTG's raise to make us the favorite?

istewart · #10 09-21-2005, 11:19 PM

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Isn't 3-betting an UTG raiser with no read marginal?

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 42.4039 % 42.20% 00.20% { 99 }
Hand 2: 57.5961 % 57.39% 00.20% { TT+, ATs+, KJs+, AQo+, KQo }

How do you extend UTG's raise to make us the favorite?

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Well you can extend it all sorts of ways but I would personally fold to an unknown UTG raise at this level with nobody stuck in between. Position counts for quite a bit but players are typically passive.