Another SB/BB battle - play for it all? - $200 NL

Sb raises to 6, you reraise to 19. for me most 1/2 players fold t7s, 96s, 86s, jto. They deff dont call 97o, t8o let alone c/r allin. I think your range is wrong and have said so, you seem to think given the action these hands are likely! Why?

[scdavis0]

Can you please give me your hand range. You stated earlier that it is wider than 66, 77, 99, the other TT, QQ, JJ, KK, and AA yet you stubbornly refuse to include a single other hand as a possibility.

Why? If your hand range is strictly the sets and overpairs then just say so. We can disagree on the correct course of action (call/fold) because our hand ranges differ a great deal.

An interesting note.. if you MUST have a pocket pair to call a re-raise in a SB/BB battle, then my flop bet is CLEARLY TERRIBLE, yet you don't comment on it. Why?

[poincaraux]

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The gutshot adds quite a bit here.

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Yes.. yes it does. It's v interesting to do the same analysis giving me QQ or JJ.

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Oops .. of course, I *did* do that analysis. That's why I said that the gutshot adds quite a bit. I just got tired of posting numbers, but maybe I should have included more. Actually, I only did it with JJ. In pennance, I'll do JJ and QQ for two cases:

ThTc vs. 99-77, 98s, 87s, 76s, 54s is ahead 59:42
JhJc vs. 99-77, 98s, 87s, 76s, 54s is behind 45:55
QhQc vs. 99-77, 98s, 87s, 76s, 54s is behind 44:56

ThTc vs. AA-77, 98s, 87s, 76s, 54s is behind 41:59
JhJc vs. AA-77, 98s, 87s, 76s, 54s is behind 36:64
QhQc vs. AA-77, 98s, 87s, 76s, 54s is behind 45:55

Lesson 1) gutshots add a lot here.
Lesson 2) it helps to know how villain will play big pairs pre-flop.

Thanks for your followup .. it pointed out the importance of lesson 2 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

[poincaraux]

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Fim is a good player, most 1/2's aren't.

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I totally believe you about this. I just don't really know what it means. That is, I don't know enough (yet! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) to really know what most 1/2's have here.

[scdavis0]

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Fim is a good player, most 1/2's aren't.

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I totally believe you about this. I just don't really know what it means. That is, I don't know enough (yet! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) to really know what most 1/2's have here.

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I have no idea what it means either. I guess he means that bad 1/2 players are very likely to have the goods when they give a lot of action ? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Voltron87]

pretty easy fold IMO

i bet 30 on the flop

Where did i show you i feel his range is wider than 66, 77, 99, qq, jj , kk , aa? To check/raise allin for 3 times the pot i figure his range must be close to the hands listed. Add a few more like A9 K9 and you are still in bad shape.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

50,490 games 0.005 secs 10,098,000 games/sec

Board: 9d 7h 6c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 42.1103 % 41.76% 00.35% { TcTh }
Hand 2: 57.8897 % 57.54% 00.35% { JJ+, 99, 77-66, AQs+, A9s, KQs, K9s }

[scdavis0]

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Where did i show you i feel his range is wider than 66, 77, 99, qq, jj , kk , aa? To check/raise allin for 3 times the pot i figure his range must be close to the hands listed. Add a few more like A9 K9 and you are still in bad shape.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

50,490 games 0.005 secs 10,098,000 games/sec

Board: 9d 7h 6c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 42.1103 % 41.76% 00.35% { TcTh }
Hand 2: 57.8897 % 57.54% 00.35% { JJ+, 99, 77-66, AQs+, A9s, KQs, K9s }

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Uh.. you realize that I have odds to call against YOUR range right?

Just to add i very much doubt someone is c/r allin with KQs or AQs+, i've just added them to add some sort of bluffing balance.

[scdavis0]

Let me know when you finalize your range then.