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Old 12-19-2005, 06:20 AM
punter11235 punter11235 is offline
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Default Hand against Chufty - interesting situation

"Book" hand. Chufty probably has the same str8 as I do or he catched some good draw (like set + flush draw, or maybe only 2flushdraws). I have str8 + double flush draw so I thought I am freeroling on the turn.
River card is interesting, I have trouble imagining Chufty's hand which now made fullhouse on the other hand he makes many loose calls so its possible. The problem with calling is that we're often splitting so I call 1100 to get only a half of the pot which is not good deal. Your move ?

PokerStars Game #3375543669: Omaha Pot Limit ($10/$20) - 2005/12/19 - 04:58:59 (ET)
Table 'Fennia' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: CHUFTY ($25241.20 in chips)
Seat 2: SamENole ($2712 in chips)
Seat 3: soora ($797 in chips)
Seat 4: bluecalm ($1940 in chips)
Seat 5: AmuLeto ($1200 in chips)
Seat 6: POKER JIGGA ($1107 in chips)
Seat 7: adieutoptwo ($460 in chips)
Seat 8: Black Sea ($1374 in chips)
AmuLeto: posts small blind $10
POKER JIGGA: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluecalm [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
adieutoptwo: folds
Black Sea: calls $20
CHUFTY: calls $20
SamENole: calls $20
soora: calls $20
bluecalm: calls $20
AmuLeto: calls $10
POKER JIGGA: checks
*** FLOP *** [2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
AmuLeto: checks
POKER JIGGA: checks
Black Sea: checks
CHUFTY: checks
SamENole: checks
soora: checks
bluecalm: checks
*** TURN *** [2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
AmuLeto: checks
POKER JIGGA: checks
Black Sea: checks
CHUFTY: bets $137
SamENole: folds
soora: folds
bluecalm: raises $411 to $548
AmuLeto: folds
POKER JIGGA: folds
Black Sea: folds
CHUFTY: calls $411
*** RIVER *** [2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
CHUFTY: bets $1100
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:06 AM
fuzzbox fuzzbox is offline
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Default Re: Hand against Chufty - interesting situation

Ahhh, defeated by position (or right to first bluff).

I dont know this chufty, but can he have A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something?

I cant call that (well actually I can, but whenever I do, I lose).

PS - a bet on the flop is good here ... no?
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Old 12-19-2005, 07:40 AM
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Default Re: Hand against Chufty - interesting situation

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a bet on the flop is good here ... no?


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I think its bad. Its 7 ppl to the flop chances that somebody is going for checkraise on this flop are just too big. I think checking and taking a free card is much better.
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Old 12-19-2005, 10:29 AM
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Default Re: Hand against Chufty - interesting situation

There are two possibilities where he takes this line. One is that he he went for the c/r on the flop with a set, but when the turn made a straight he also picked up a flush draw so he bet anyway.

The other is that he he has a red straight, is afraid of the freeroll on the turn, but then figures that paired board didn't hit you and bets it out.

I think its the second situation most of the time. Set + flush draw is just a lot rarer probabilistically speaking, plus the chances that he didn't just bet out on the flop with a set + backdoor flush draw makes that scenario even less likely. I don't think he has two pair + straight, as he likely would have raised that combo preflop or reraised you on the turn.

I think he is betting the scare card here ~70% of the time, I just don't know whether thats often enough to call. Calling has some metagame benefits however, so I am leaning toward that.
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:40 PM
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Default Re: Hand against Chufty - interesting situation

When I see this

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Seat 1: CHUFTY ($25241.20 in chips)


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I'm flat calling, or even folding the turn. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: Hand against Chufty - interesting situation

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When I see this

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Seat 1: CHUFTY ($25241.20 in chips)


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I'm flat calling, or even folding the turn. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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That is one sick stack. How frequently do those guys run up such monster stacks? and how many buy-ins on average does it take to do so?
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Old 12-19-2005, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: Hand against Chufty - interesting situation

C'mon guys. Its PokerStars. REBUY trick.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:01 PM
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C'mon guys. Its PokerStars. REBUY trick.

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Never played on that site. Is this "trick" legal, or just some bug that PStars hasn't fixed, allowing for intimidation tactics to be exploited?
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: Hand against Chufty - interesting situation

When I see this,

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Seat 1: CHUFTY ($25241.20 in chips)

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I'm never sitting down at the table. . .
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: Hand against Chufty - interesting situation

The "trick" is that when you are allin, you can quickly rebuy for the max buyin which in the case where you win the pot in question, is added to your stack, artificially increasing it. I see this in no limit all the time, where some regular players upon the first time they get AA/KK/AK just open push and do the trick so that they can stack players who already have built up a stack.

While it might be considered a loophole, and even though I don't do it, there is nothing wrong with it IMO. And the trick can save you from missing a hand when you are allin and lose, since PS doesn't have the software first wait for you to rebuy like UB does.
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