QQ faces push on low card flop

c_strong · #1 12-14-2005, 07:29 PM

$50nl, 5 handed, stacks are:

SB $46.85
BB $16.60
Hero $55.25
CO $10.30
Button $55.45

Hero has Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

PRE-FLOP
Hero bets $2, 1 fold, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.

pot is $8
FLOP 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks BB checks, Hero bets $7, Button folds, SB bets $44.85 and is all-in, BB folds,

Hero ????

Villain was 27/8/0.1 after 25 hands. Small sample size but tightness + postflop passivity + AI c/r = set rather than flush draw to me. Anyone like a call here? Also, should I have overbet the pot rather than slightly underbet it against 3 callers? I generally vary my c-bets between 60-90% of the pot so I try to provide cover with my made hands.

J Chap · #2 12-14-2005, 10:29 PM

i like betting 8 or 9 on this flop.

check-raise is a shame, but you and me and he all know you have an overpair here, so he might be trying to capitalize with his set. (although if he was really good he wouldnt have checked it on this heart-y flop)

i dont know, maybe he has 8h9h. (in which case you would still be wise to fold.)

hth

jchap

c_strong · #3 12-15-2005, 06:09 AM

Thanks - I agree. I folded and started worrying afterwards that he was snapping off my c-bet with a flush draw or something, but that's just talking yourself into a bad call [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

einbert · #4 12-15-2005, 06:17 AM

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i dont know, maybe he has 8h9h. (in which case you would be an idiot to fold.)

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FYP

einbert · #5 12-15-2005, 06:18 AM

He could easily have JJ, any T, a flush draw, OESD. You're in great shape against all of those and he could also have two pair which doesn't have you crushed. Besides, who plays a flopped set this way at $50 NL?

This is an insta-call.

c_strong · #6 12-15-2005, 06:35 AM

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He could easily have JJ, any T, a flush draw, OESD.

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He doesn't have a bare T. Have another look at his stats - this play is very read-dependent.

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You're in great shape against all of those and he could also have two pair which doesn't have you crushed.

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Any two pair has me crushed 3:1, when the pot is laying me 3:2.

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Besides, who plays a flopped set this way at $50 NL?

This is an insta-call.

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Against an "average" NL50 player on whom I have no reads, I totally agree. Against a fairly tight player who has been very passive post-flop, nope.

einbert · #7 12-15-2005, 06:42 AM

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you wanted advice on how to play the hand.

Apparently you simply wanted to teach me how you made the perfect play and that you are a God of poker.

If you are such a god of poker, why are still at $50 NL? You are pathetic. This forum is not for people like you. Go away.

You can expect no more advice from me, that's for sure.

Besides, I'm pretty sure you edited that read into your post after I had already read it.

c_strong · #8 12-15-2005, 06:47 AM

You made some points, I responded to them, which I think is the best way to learn. I certainly don't consider myself any kind of poker god and am well aware I have a lot to learn - that's why I read/post to this forum.

I appreciated your initial advice, but given your last post if you want to put me on your ignore list that's fine with me.

#9 12-15-2005, 08:47 AM

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i dont know, maybe he has 8h9h. (in which case you would be an idiot to fold.)

FYP

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QQ is behind 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or am I missing something. Anyway you obviously can't be that specific in your read, but I cant see a player with these kind of stats doing this without a set.

I fold.

einbert · #10 12-15-2005, 09:32 AM

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i dont know, maybe he has 8h9h. (in which case you would be an idiot to fold.)

FYP

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QQ is behind 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or am I missing something. Anyway you obviously can't be that specific in your read, but I cant see a player with these kind of stats doing this without a set.

I fold.

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QQ is behind 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] but has odds to call against this hand. Therefore if we know the opponent has this hand, folding would be insane.