The 3rd Shot at 10/20 is a charm... but not

[aLOWdAkING]

I have been mostly a 5/10 6max player, and building my bankroll, I have naturally taken shots at 10/20 6max. I did so with 300 BBs, which is not very assuring for short handed games of high variance, but that's why they call it a "shot".

Anyways, took my 3rd shot at this beast tonight, played only 1000 hands, and dropped 1000 BBs. Not too bad, but now I'm 0/3 at 10/20 6max shots and after a (small) sample of 5,500 hands, I'm down $7,367.85 and again my confidence in my abilities are very low. It's just frustrating when it seems everytime you try to move up, you just can't.

Numbers seem pretty standard. 25 VPIP, 17 PFR, 2 AF, ASB 32, Fold BB to stl 60. I've posted some hands and most of the time I've played them how many of you posters would play. I use PAHUD, read and understand and agree with a lot of HHs posted on this forum.

Do any other posters have similiar stories when they tried taking shots? If so, how many times did you have to move back down before you could successfully start showing profit and stay at 10/20 6max?

Is moving down the best idea after dropping 100 BBs? It just seems like all the work at building the BR is lost in one night and I have to go down to 5/10 and grind some more before trying to move up. But playing underbankrolled would lead even more to my demise.

Thanks for reading this. Hopefully it wasn't too whiny. I'm more just depressed right now and wondering if this type of thing is normal for the transition from 5/10 to 10/20. All input and advice is greatly appreciated.

[MattC]

1000 bbs ouch [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
10/20 is a lot tougher then 5/10 I think at this point you should build a bigger bankroll before taking your next shot, and of course do all the necessary precautions to help from making mistakes (i.e. play one table, spend as much time as possible for each decision, datamine it a [censored] load ahead of time so you have better stats on the players, take your shot on like a friday night etc)

Other then that, it'll come through eventually just gotta keep your head up. good luck with it. You're not alone.

[DaSpade]

Well said MattC.

I transitioned to 10/20 recently and played around 14k hands at break even WR. Though I only play 2tables, the variance at this limit is mind blowing. I too am wondering if is worth the stress. But for sure I feel like my game is improving a lot.

I think it was Ulysses who said to play pretty tight from blinds and over all at a new limit for the first 10K or so hands until you post a 2BB WR. May be you might want to tighten up your game a little bit?
Oh yeah, you're not alone.
GL.

[Stefan_K]

I'm at the same place as you, i feel very comfort with 5/10 and am still taking shots at 10/20. I have run very well at both limits, but the fluctrations at 10/20 still scares me. I will recomend that you don't take this 'permanent shots' for me it has worked great to tabelselect bettween the limits and play some 10/20 tabels when i feel sharp but also mix it with 5/10. 10/20 is a tricky limit but you might find some really great tables their if you just wait, often i datamine 10/20 with 10tabels before i sit down, look at thoes tabels and pic some of them if i feel comfort with the players otherwise i just shut them down and play my 5/10 game. Hang in and take the shot slowly you have nothing to loose with waiting. stay at 5/10 and play your regular hands as you used to at 5/10 and have it like a 'stabel income' and just play a cuple of hundred 10/20 when you feel like.

GL.

[MAxx]

Rinse and Repeat.

[krishanleong]

How many hands at 5/10? I think this is a more reasonable way to discuss when you should move up. It doesn't matter how many shots you take if you aren't ready yet. (And I'm not saying you aren't)

Krishan

[Ryan11]

what is your screename. I will check my database and see if I have any hands on you I can comment on.

[AviD]

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Anyways, took my 3rd shot at this beast tonight, played only 1000 hands, and dropped 1000 BBs.

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Wow that was a scary read. You clarified below with 100BBs. Yeah those swings happen in SHed and dropping back down might be an OK idea but I'd give it another shot/day and see how things pan out.

def not alone, i too play 5/10 6max usually and occasionally jump to the 10/20 6max. i have decent numbers playing the 5/10 but when i get to the 10/20 the variance and swings are just too great. sure you can set aside 300 BB for the game, but when you drop 50-100 BB in a game you get rattled and your off your game, that is going to happen.
just keep on stabbing at it once you build a good enough BR and your day will come...

I believe that it takes a rare person to loose even 1/4 that much in a shot and still be playing their best.

I only ever take 100bb "shots" and move back down. The smaller shots are easier to handle when you blow the money.