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Old 12-02-2005, 10:09 PM
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Default Sagarin Predictor rulezzz!

I think this is one of the best articles I have seen:
FO: Which are better, close wins or blowouts?
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:22 PM
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Default Re: Sagarin Predictor rulezzz!

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I think this is one of the best articles I have seen:


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Jack agrees with you.
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Old 12-03-2005, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: Sagarin Predictor rulezzz!

Lastchance, as one of the Sagarin predictor's most vocal boosters on 2+2, I am ecstatic you posted this.

You have made me so happy.
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Old 12-03-2005, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: Sagarin Predictor rulezzz!

It makes sense that using margin of victory is a good way to predict results of future games. However, I don't think it is approprate to use it to award championships (or places in a championship game).
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Old 12-03-2005, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: Sagarin Predictor rulezzz!

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It makes sense that using margin of victory is a good way to predict results of future games. However, I don't think it is approprate to use it to award championships (or places in a championship game).

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who (in this thread) said it was?
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Old 12-03-2005, 07:21 PM
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It makes sense that using margin of victory is a good way to predict results of future games. However, I don't think it is approprate to use it to award championships (or places in a championship game).

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who (in this thread) said it was?

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I didn't say anyone said it was, I was just stating my opinion. Afterall, A few years ago, points based computer rankings were used in the BCS.
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Old 12-03-2005, 07:59 PM
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Default Re: Sagarin Predictor rulezzz!

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It makes sense that using margin of victory is a good way to predict results of future games. However, I don't think it is approprate to use it to award championships (or places in a championship game).

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who (in this thread) said it was?

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I didn't say anyone said it was, I was just stating my opinion. Afterall, A few years ago, points based computer rankings were used in the BCS.

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Points-based computer rankings are far better than ELO-Chess rankings.
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Old 12-03-2005, 08:23 PM
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It makes sense that using margin of victory is a good way to predict results of future games. However, I don't think it is approprate to use it to award championships (or places in a championship game).

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who (in this thread) said it was?

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I didn't say anyone said it was, I was just stating my opinion. Afterall, A few years ago, points based computer rankings were used in the BCS.

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Points-based computer rankings are far better than ELO-Chess rankings.

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They are vastly superior for predicting outcomes. But it is up for debate whether they should be used for awarding championships. Afterall, if an NFL team wins 52-0 in the first round, 49-0 in the 2nd round, and loses 21-20 in the conference championship, they normally don't advance to the Super Bowl despite a better computer rating in the playoffs.
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Old 12-03-2005, 08:26 PM
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Doug,

But a playoff system has nothing to do with this. Given that we're using objective and subjective rankings it makes sense to use Sagarin over ELO Chess.
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Old 12-03-2005, 08:32 PM
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But a playoff system has nothing to do with this. Given that we're using objective and subjective rankings it makes sense to use Sagarin over ELO Chess.

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Maybe. As I said it is up for debate. I am not sure where I stand on the issue myself.

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On one hand I feel that the best teams should be in the championship game. On the other hand I feel that the goal of a football game is to win, and not win by 150 points. These opinions conflict when it comes to deciding whether or not MOV should be used to determine BCS championship teams.
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