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#11
11-16-2005, 10:04 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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[ QUOTE ] River: (t150) 8 (3 players) Hero checks, MP1 bets t50, MP3 folds, Hero raises to t150, MP1 raises to t325, Hero pushes [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] why? what hand is calling that we beat? 
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#12
11-16-2005, 10:12 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
blinds 10/15
probably 11/22's AQ, JJ, to start with.
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#13
11-16-2005, 10:37 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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blinds 10/15 probably 11/22's AQ, JJ, to start with. [/ QUOTE ] MP1 - hero SB - villian - "hero" AQ/JJ open limping from MP, doubtful - "hero" AQ/JJ checking behind 4way on a SD flop, certainly not the AQ - "hero" AQ/JJ value betting the turn, ok (if we got past the PF/flop irregularities) RIVER: "villian" c/r'd... What is hero trying to accomplish with 3betting here? For value? -- what hands would "villian" call with that are behind... --- AQ: a weaker Q? a 2? --- JJ: a 2? -- what hands would "villian" be ahead of us here, yet fold... ---AQ: trips? a boat? ---JJ: a Q, trips, a boat? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The only possible situation I can dream up here to support pushing over the top (for our hero) would be... True Villain: 99-JJ.....PRAYING our hero has checked TP on flop, check-called TP on turn, check-raised TP on river. Our hero has no business pushing this river IMO. If I had to guess, he lost to bigger trips or a boat.
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#14
11-16-2005, 10:44 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
Probably lost to 2's full IMO. But then again we don't know the stakes, it's an 800 stacker so villains play(results notwithstanding) probably questionable.
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#15
11-16-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
goodness i just noticed that was a check raise you made on the river. thats awful. dont ever check raise there. can only get you in trouble, because you make a worse hand fold and a better one reraise. bet the river. period. holla
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#16
11-16-2005, 10:56 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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goodness i just noticed that was a check raise you made on the river. thats awful. dont ever check raise there. can only get you in trouble, because you make a worse hand fold and a better one reraise. bet the river. period. holla [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] FPS [/ QUOTE ] yeah.
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#18
11-16-2005, 11:08 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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i prefer to call it DPS [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla [/ QUOTE ] well i dont know if you noticed raptor, but i DID have a feeling. oh, and since i feel like i now know how this hand should have gone (maybe a small bet on a turn, and a bet/call on the river), here are the results: villian shows 77 for sevens full. rigged.
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#19
11-16-2005, 11:09 PM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
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[ QUOTE ] i prefer to call it DPS [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla [/ QUOTE ] well i dont know if you noticed raptor, but i DID have a feeling. oh, and since i feel like i now know how this hand should have gone (maybe a small bet on a turn, and a bet/call on the river), here are the results: villian shows 77 for sevens full. rigged. [/ QUOTE ] yer lucky the villian played his hand about as bad as possible [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla
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#20
11-17-2005, 05:12 AM
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Re: Interesting 89s Line -- Hrmm...
I think I might checkraise the turn to t100. This early, you do not want to get a lot of chips in without a big hand. It may seem that checkraising just makes a bigger pot, but in actuality is reduces the number of chips that go in later, and therefore you risk less chips overall. After just calling, if you don't improve, your river decision will be difficult. If a card lower than 8 hits, betting out at the river puts you in the position of only being called by hands that beat you. If you check the river, villian will likely increase his bet size. Since it is likely neither of you improved, and you thought your hand was good on the turn (you called drawing mighty thin if you thought you were behind), you would likely have to call a t125 river bet. Also, if an overcard to a 10 or higher hits, you have a problem with knowing where you are at and have to act out of position.
By turn checkraising, hands that you beat will fold, taking away the tricky situation on the river. Big hands that were slowplaying will defintely reraise, and you can toss your middle pair without a second thought. When he just calls you can shut down unimproved, but if you do improve bet out to get paid off with your newly big hand. Well, that's my logic. Please let me know if I'm a complete idiot.
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