Anybody really beating the new Party 30/60?

[DeezNuts]

It seems like all the donks and bad players are pretty evenly spread between the 15, 20, and 30 games. The tough players are definitely localized in the 30 game, though.

DN

[joes28]

maybe im a derb (though i am not THE derb), but I have been 4 tabling party 30/60 and have been crushing it. My BB/100 is 2.05 over 35,068 hands, and it really should be a little higher because I had a streak where I was playing really bad a little while ago, but am now back on track. Though i guess this can be expected every now and then.

I was a regular at the old 30/60, and I would have to say that since they added the new tables the games have been A LOT softer.

[Peter_rus]

0.4BB/100 currently over 50K of new 30/60 games 4-tabling in average (3 to 6 tables). Had 2.4/100 in older 15/30 6-tabling for 200K. I suspect there are too little fishes and too much decent players to share fishes money.

To my opinion current 15/30 become tighter though still quite more passive comparing to 30/60, 30/60 didn't changed after adding more tables. Im seriously thinking if playing precisely SH 15/30-30/60 or 10/20 6max could be more profitable at least for me.

[Nigel]

BK,

I think back in April you talked about still being unsure if you would keep the 15/30 as your regular game, although I imagine you are so immensely overrolled for 15/30 it's comical.

I am kind of surprised that I am seeing some of the long time 15/30 pros in the 15/30 still. OscarPGM comes to mind.

At any rate, this thread is depressing. I'd like to make the 30 my full time game, as I have only logged under 10k hands so far at the 20 and 30 combined, but it seems like the 15 might be almost as profitable without the brutal swings.

What are your thoughts on this these days?

Nigel

[Nightwish]

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0.4BB/100 currently over 50K of new 30/60 games 4-tabling in average (3 to 6 tables). Had 2.4/100 in older 15/30 6-tabling for 200K. I suspect there are too little fishes and too much decent players to share fishes money.


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This post is bad news. I've seen you play many times, and though our styles are very different, I think you're a very good player. If it's true that a very good player (and I'm not necessarily saying that I am one, though I've had good results in the past) can only make 0.5 BB/100 in this game, my conclusion is that I'd be better off getting a real job with its accompanying paycheck stability, benefits, etc. And it wouldn't be even close.

[bugstud]

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0.4BB/100 currently over 50K of new 30/60 games 4-tabling in average (3 to 6 tables). Had 2.4/100 in older 15/30 6-tabling for 200K. I suspect there are too little fishes and too much decent players to share fishes money.

To my opinion current 15/30 become tighter though still quite more passive comparing to 30/60, 30/60 didn't changed after adding more tables. Im seriously thinking if playing precisely SH 15/30-30/60 or 10/20 6max could be more profitable at least for me.

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what are your blind defense stats like now, out of curiousity?

[Nate tha' Great]

I'm at 1.03 BB/100 since the 30 tables were opened up, about 35K hands. Ironically I was running somewhat better than this when the number of tables were restricted so my overall rate in the 30/60 is somewhat better, approaching the 1.5 benchmark.

This thread is a little disconcerting. That said, even 1.0 BB/100 works out to about $200/hour 4-tabling, so there might not be too much to complain about.

[Nate tha' Great]

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Did a lot of the higher stakes players "drop down" to the 30/60 when it opened up? There used to be a good number of okay 50/100, 80/160 and 100/200 games online, but now I can't find any in ET evenings, and I'm down 3.5 tabling it at 30/60. Well, I wanted to do that anyhow, since I had just experienced a ~500BB digger and needed to regroup.

cheers,
highland

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Yes, I think that's part of it. If Schneids and bicyclekick and fifteen other pros comes over from other sites and start 4+ tabling the 30/60, that's going to have an impact on the game. The player pool is not all *that* large.

[Nigel]

I get about 250 hands per hour 4 tabling, so about $150/hr 4 tabling at 1BB/100. I'm sure I am not nearly the player you or Peter are and if you guys are struggling to get 1BB in this game, it makes me wonder if this is one of those games/levels that's just better off skipped, like the old 10/20 full.

Aren't solid NL players making about this much 4 tabling at even the $600 tables? I don't know much about NL win rates so I may be way off here, someone correct me if I am wrong. Is NL a better road to more $/hr at lower risk/variance?

Also, is 4 tables reasonably the max for the 30, or can 6 be played without too much decline in WR? Anyone here doing 6 or more? I'm assuming you can't auto-pilot too much in this game if it's this tough.

Nigel

[Nate tha' Great]

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I get about 250 hands per hour 4 tabling, so about $150/hr 4 tabling at 1BB/100.

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250/hour is probably more reasonable, unless you're playing a lot of shorthanded. The "old" 30/60 used to run particularly fast since you didn't have players posting and coming and going all the time, but the new game can be slow at times. Plus you're going to lose some time to opening and closing and selecting tables, which is a must since table selection is essential in this game. I might be four-tabling, but it's probably closer to say 3.6 tables that I'm actively playing at any given moment.

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I'm sure I am not nearly the player you or Peter are and if you guys are struggling to get 1BB in this game, it makes me wonder if this is one of those games/levels that's just better off skipped, like the old 10/20 full.

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Well, that might be a bit of an exaggeration. Most of the "top" posters here I'd guess are ultimately going to wind up somewhere in the neighborhood of $175-$200 if they're four-tabling and that's good money.

The other problem is that it's not clear just what one might jump to. At any given moment, there might be something like 10-15 hold 'em tables higher than say 40-80 running in the entire US (excluding extremely high limits), say 1-2 at Bellagio and 4-5 at Commerce and 2 at Stars and maybe 1-2 at UB and say 3-4 at Interpoker or what have you. That just isn't a lot of game selection.

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Also, is 4 tables reasonably the max for the 30, or can 6 be played without too much decline in WR? Anyone here doing 6 or more? I'm assuming you can't auto-pilot too much in this game if it's this tough.

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I've played four tables for a long time and get put to enough tough decisions in the 30/60 that I don't feel in a hurry to add more, especially as one or two of those tables is usually running pretty short. The interesting question IMO is whether the 15/30 might actually be more profitable, between the higher BB/100 win rates and possibly the ability to play more tables without giving up as much. Some of this may eventually be arbitraged out as well; if some of the winning regulars are struggling at 30/60 they may jump down, pushing some profit back into the 30 game.