Fold or call down?

Mroberts3 · #1 06-09-2005, 11:01 PM

Villain is semi loose and passive. Do you fold at any point here or call down? How about a raise?

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB raises, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)

BB bets, Hero calls, CO folds

River: (8.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

shadow29 · #2 06-09-2005, 11:02 PM

How about a flop 3-bet.

Given that you didn't, I call down.

Losfer · #3 06-09-2005, 11:06 PM

My first thought is that I'm not folding this, but that is a lot of aggresion out of a suposedly passive player. I know that I would call down, but I wonder if this is a leak.

USDaniels · #4 06-09-2005, 11:26 PM

That is how I would have played it.

How passive? Like, probably wouldn't raise TP passive or would fold to a flop re-raise passive?

I don't think we are looking at AA, KK or AK (unless he's really, really passive) which means we are worried about KJ, K4, JJ? K4 doesn't fit the pf call, but I think KJ (and maybe JJ) does.

A raise on the turn might ensure a HU river. Maybe a flop re-raise would be a better (read: cheaper) way to find out for sure what villian is holding.

benkath1 · #5 06-09-2005, 11:33 PM

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How about the flop?

That's a good place to find out where you are. If he caps, you might put him on 2 pair or a set and play the rest of the hand accordingly.

handsome · #6 06-09-2005, 11:57 PM

Depends on what holdings he check-raises with. If he's the type of passive player that bets/raises with a set or better, you fold the turn. Otherwise call all the way down.

trainslayer · #7 06-10-2005, 01:45 AM

I'd probably just call down. I don't think I'd 3bet the flop minus any real read on villian. Has he shown any tendency to be sneaky. If I thought he was just playing with my mind I would 3bet.

Jaran · #8 06-10-2005, 12:08 PM

Personally, I've been 3betting on the flop more often in this situation. Not sure if that is correct though. Not folding, though.

-Jaran

Bodhi · #9 06-10-2005, 12:35 PM

Ummmm, no I would never fold this hand. With the backdoor flush draw and backdoor straight draw you can 3-bet this flop with confidence. A lot of the time your hand is best, and when it's not you'll sometimes get bailed out by those draws.

Bodhi · #10 06-10-2005, 12:37 PM

But we have a very strong holding. Showing down Top Pair Good Kicker is rarely an instance of a leak.