aa turn laydown (ugh)

mlagoo · #1 10-16-2005, 01:49 PM

I recently stopped playing poker because law school was too demanding of my time. However, I deposited a few bucks into PokerStars for when I have a few minutes to waste and need to satisfy my poker itch. Anyway, here is the hand:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter

Button (t1480)
SB (t1340)
Hero (t1985)
UTG (t1310)
UTG+1 (t1650)
MP1 (t1505)
MP2 (t1605)
CO (t1235)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 2 folds, CO calls t50, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to t175, UTG+1 calls t125, CO calls t125, SB calls t125.

Flop: (t700) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t400, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, SB calls t400.

Turn: (t1500) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t300, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1800

Standard? Despite this being a low buyin tourney, I just can't think of a hand I'm beating here. Whether he has a set and is suddenly scared because of a flush possibility, or he actually turned his flush, I'm looking pretty bad here. I just can't see someone playing TP this way.

Oh, and I know the preflop raise is a leak. Should've been something like 225-275. I got greedy. =/

Bigwig · #2 10-16-2005, 02:05 PM

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Standard? Despite this being a low buyin tourney, I just can't think of a hand I'm beating here.

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JJ, TT, KK, 88, etc.

mlagoo · #3 10-16-2005, 02:14 PM

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Standard? Despite this being a low buyin tourney, I just can't think of a hand I'm beating here.

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JJ, TT, KK, 88, etc.

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I'm assuming you meant like 77 instead of 88.

Obviously, apart from KK, he's putting me on AK to play it like this. But aren't most players with these cards going to CR here on the flop and not let me draw to my "6 outs" for free? Not to mention that, don't most of these hands raise preflop?

I meant to add in my original post that I'm consistently against making "big laydowns" in SNGs (and MTTs, for that matter). I just couldn't imagine being ahead here.

I'm constantly, whether it be PP 11s/22s or Pokerstars 5.50's while donking around, trying to tread that fine line between (a) just calling/pushing with a good hand because, you know, they are donks, and could have anything, and (b) trying to actually read a hand and figure out what I'm beating, even if I'm reading the hand from the perspective of the average donk.

I dunno, just rambling. But I think what I tried to convey in the above paragraph is a fairly common problem for 2+2 11s/22s players.

Karak567 · #4 10-16-2005, 02:18 PM

Raise to 250 preflop, I think this changes this whole hand.

#5 10-16-2005, 02:20 PM

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But I think what I tried to convey in the above paragraph is a fairly common problem for 2+2 11s/22s players.

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I agree, but I think the solution's usually a.