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Old 06-01-2005, 11:19 AM
Tilt Tilt is offline
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Does anyone have a table of Omaha Hi preflop hand rankings?

I've searched this forum, but couldn't find anything.
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Old 06-01-2005, 11:24 AM
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Default Re: Hand rankings

It's very difficult to rank omaha hands the way you would for texas hold'em, because there are SO many variations. The closest thing I've seen is point count systems which are actually pretty reasonable: Hutchinson point count system
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Old 06-01-2005, 12:05 PM
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Hand rankings are best done in groups. My personal selection, not based on any Omaha books, is:

Top hand can easily be placed on AAJTds.

Group 1, the best hands, are AA(paint)(paints)ds, KK(paint)(paint)ds, any four paint cards doublesuited, or AAKK and AAQQ.

Group 2, any run of cards higher than 4. 5678, 89TJ, etc. ds preferred.

Group 3 is any 3 card run (one gappers allowed) that has nut flush backing, or high pair backing, so QQT9, JJT9, or KKJ9 for instance. Or A5s67, or ATs89, or A6s78 for example.

Beyond that I dont play anything, unless its AA rag rag and I can go close to all in on the flop against 1 or maybe 2 opponents tops (which is preceded by a huge preflop reraise of course)

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Old 06-01-2005, 12:09 PM
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I should note that with a group 1 hand, you are looking to flop top set with a flush draw on board. A set of aces vs. a flush draw in Omaha, one on one, is 75% to 25%, and often at low stakes Party PLO flush draws pay off to the max.

Group 2 hands are looking for 13 outers or 17 out wraparounds. Again when they hit, you are just betting out with a 50% or sometimes 70% chance of winning, also often getting paid off to the max

Group 3 hands are marginal but can often pick up open ended straight/flush draws, both to the nuts.

-Matt
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:37 PM
Hans Gruber Hans Gruber is offline
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Default Re: Hand rankings

Porsche-
I'm fairly new to Omaha, and I'm just now starting to make somewhat steady money in .10/.25 PL on stars. Your hand selections look great...but do you ever play big pocket pairs if they have rags with them? For example, would you play KK72 if you were pretty certain that you could limp in and see a cheap flop? Obviously, you're hoping to flop a King, which is like 7.8 to 1.

I tend to play this kind of crap hand at .10/.25, since it is so passive before the flop and quite often you see 7 or 8 limping pre-flop. When you hit that set, you can often win a huge pot from people calling you down with terrible draws. So I guess my question is, would you consider this kind of hand profitable at the low stakes tables, where the pre-flop play is so passive?
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Old 06-01-2005, 02:53 PM
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Ciaffone's book says it is ok to limp in with KKxx. But you should only call a raise if you the raiser is known to be an LAG player who will raise with a large variety of hands such as 8764, QQxx, JJxx, etc. Otherwise, most raisers have AAxx and you will be a significant preflop dog.
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Old 06-01-2005, 04:05 PM
PorscheNGuns PorscheNGuns is offline
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Yes, I will limp late with KKxx if I'm confident there wont be a raise (like sometimes if a player just lost his whole stack but has $3 left in front of him, he'll usually tilt the last 3 off or situations of that nature). Your looking to flop a King obviously, and at the low stakes PLO, if you just start betting out, people will chase you with middle and bottom sets, and flush draws. If there is both a flush and straight draw on the flop, then I tend to be hesitant, and virtually stop dead into a big field (you dont want to be going head on into a 17 out hand or 13 out hand).

-Matt
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Old 06-01-2005, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: Hand rankings

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Otherwise, most raisers have AAxx and you will be a significant preflop dog.

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I dont see how this matters much. If the purpose of calling with the KK is to flop a set and dump it if you dont. I guess my point is not that you think you are winning, but that you have implied odds if you hit.
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Old 06-01-2005, 09:36 PM
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How you play preflop is of tiny consequence in PLO. I have known winning players who play just over 50% of their hands, and raise with half of them, to 30% preflop, and raising with maybe a third.

Its the other streets that are the key.

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Old 06-01-2005, 09:55 PM
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Default Re: Hand rankings

Ciaffone's Omaha book has a good table that lists certain hand's and the action he would take would them. I think this is a good place to start. Crockpot has a site at www.winningonlinepoker.com that also has a good guide.

You're going to hear many different ideas on preflop play and I think alot of them work. The reason being that most preflop raises aren't for the pure sake of expectation as is the case in limit hold'em but many are made for positional and deception purposes that dictate how the later streets are played.
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