Most difficult form of poker?

I am writing a research paper for a college course on "What is the most difficult form of poker to play?"

That is, which form of poker requires the player to make the toughest decisions?

As an overall poker enthusiast who enjoys playing all the games, I think it's pot-limit omaha hi-low. Anyone agree?

Discuss.

[kipin]

Indian poker.

The toughest game. Period.

Never heard of it.

By "most difficult" I also mean in which game would an amatuer get absolutely destroyed by a skilled player?

For example, in a heads up no-limit hold'em freezout with not-too-deep stacks, an idiot could beat Phil Ivey probably 25-30% of the time just by going all-in pre-flop every hand.

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Never heard of it.

By "most difficult" I also mean in which game would an amatuer get absolutely destroyed by a skilled player?

For example, in a heads up no-limit hold'em freezout with not-too-deep stacks, an idiot could beat Phil Ivey probably 25-30% of the time just by going all-in pre-flop every hand.

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I really hate to bump this thread, but I am having a really [censored] day at work, so wtf not..

Anyhow, this argument is ridiculous.. that would suggest that any no-limit game takes less skill to beat than any limit/pot-limit game. Actually, i think No-Limit holdem takes the most skill because there is so much variance and so much depends on reading the player and not on your own cards/board.

I think you could write a computer program that could beat pot limit Omaha8 a lot easier than you could write one to beat NL holdem. That game is so much about position and starting hands that the really tough river decisions are much less important. Most of your profit can come from having people drawing dead after the flop and still calling your bets.

Just my 2 cents.

[cpk]

I've heard it said that pot-limit is actually more difficult than no-limit, because in the former you have to manage the size of the pot to give yourself the ability to bet big on a later street. This means having to raise early with a speculative hand so you have a chance of getting all-in when you make the nuts on the turn or river.

I lack the mathematical mojo to make an authoritative judgement over whether a pot-limit flop game is more likely to bust the pigeons than limit 7CS H/L. It also depends on what you mean by "pigeon."

Good luck on your paper.

[BillFranklin]

[/ QUOTE ] I really hate to bump this thread, but I am having a really [censored] day at work, so wtf not..

Anyhow, this argument is ridiculous.. that would suggest that any no-limit game takes less skill to beat than any limit/pot-limit game. Actually, i think No-Limit holdem takes the most skill because there is so much variance and so much depends on reading the player and not on your own cards/board.

I think you could write a computer program that could beat pot limit Omaha8 a lot easier than you could write one to beat NL holdem. That game is so much about position and starting hands that the really tough river decisions are much less important. Most of your profit can come from having people drawing dead after the flop and still calling your bets.

Just my 2 cents.

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I wouldn't say no skill is involved in no limit but in NL freeze out so much of the skill advantage of a better player can be negated by just going all in every hand. Ironically , Mike Sexton actually wrote an article about this in the recent issue of cardplayer where he actuallly said a pro would only be a 2:1 favorite against someone's whos never played poker before because the novice can just keep going all in. He also said Pot Limit is much more difficult than NL.

Not sure i'd agree exactly with sexton on the odds but overall i agree with this.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

By "most difficult" I also mean in which game would an amatuer get absolutely destroyed by a skilled player?


Different question. The game in which the expert has the biggest edge over a novice is Stud/8.

[dogmeat]

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Never heard of it.

By "most difficult" I also mean in which game would an amatuer get absolutely destroyed by a skilled player?

For example, in a heads up no-limit hold'em freezout with not-too-deep stacks, an idiot could beat Phil Ivey probably 25-30% of the time just by going all-in pre-flop every hand.

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Any type of hi/low game - skilled players destroy rookies given enough hands to play.

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Chinese poker, probably.