Reraised KK OOP on a monotone flop 5/10

[9cao]

5 handed. The 2 Villains are regulars but wouldn't really know my game nor do I know theirs. I have been at table for about 5 minutes. I have 1k and they both cover.

CO raises to $33. Button calls. I raise out of the SB with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to $115. BB folds. CO and Button call.

Flop: pot=$355
3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

What is the plan from here? Bet size? Plan if raised?

I was thinking that a lot of hands have large equity against my hand and I am already behind AA, maybe 66 or 88 from button, and AK (maybe AQ of clubs) but think I am good here a big percentage of the time.

[slickpoppa]

Do you think that either of them are capable of semibluffing with the ace of clubs?

[HoldEmKillah]

Bet 200, fold if raised.

what if he bets 200 and is called?

[Riverman]

"Bet 200, fold if raised."


I hope this is a joke.

[deadmoney98]

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Bet 200, PUSH if raised.

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FYP

[HoldEmKillah]

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"Bet 200, fold if raised."


I hope this is a joke.

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Why is it a joke? OP showed great strength here preflop while 'value betting' the flop and I don't think a regular is going to raise him on this board without having him beat or in a coinflip situation. Hell, we are a coinflip to 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. If someone raises, it commits his whole stack. You say push but the stacks are nowhere deep enough to semibluff push since there would be ZERO fold equity. Even if the stacks were 200bb's, a push is suicidal. I hate playing for my whole stack in this situation where I may be drawing virtually dead or be ahead by very little. The only hands we are way ahead of are lower pairs without a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and those hands will likely fold to his flop bet.

If one villian just calls and a brick comes on the turn, I push since a set and mid-flush would raise the flop which opens the possibility of 99c, 10 10c, JJc, QQc or Acx.

[Riverman]

How about calling a flop raise and then betting out on the turn if we like the card that comes off? The problem with your strategy of avoiding a coinflip is that by the time you want to fold there will be over 1k in the pot, meaning you need to be in much worse shape than flipping to fold.

Also, a push here will often be called by worse hands.

[deadmoney98]

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How about calling a flop raise and then betting out on the turn if we like the card that comes off? The problem with your strategy of avoiding a coinflip is that by the time you want to fold there will be over 1k in the pot, meaning you need to be in much worse shape than flipping to fold.

Also, a push here will often be called by worse hands.

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Exactly.

[9cao]

I guess I am more interested in seeing what hand ranges you put Villain's on. Someone mentioned middle flush and I guess button could have suited connector since the CO had 1500 and he covered but I just don't see most players putting almost 10% of effective stacks without a PP or AKs/AQs/AKo. Therefore, I was reallly only worried about 88, or AK of clubs and AQ of clubs. Is this wrong, or is it that my hand is so well defined by my play that I give marginal drawing hands proper implied odds to call???

Anyways, after the fact I put my expected hand ranges into Pokerstove and I figured my hand will win at showdown 40% of the time. I also expect some worse hands to call even though they will have a lot of equity.

At the time I had myself convinced I was ahead but starting focusing on the ace of clubs and QQ or JJ with a club and decided to show a commitment to the pot, and potted it. Button raised me, and I just couldn't get away.

I still can't think of a line I like here. Button flopped non-nut flush, his hand is not important.