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Old 02-01-2005, 10:32 AM
JFB37 JFB37 is offline
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The time seemed right for this move. Yes or no?

5/5 NL at the Woods. Player A is a new player who has just sat down and short-bought for $400. Player B is an awful calling station who goes to virtually every river. He also has about $400. Player C is a good player but ends up irrelevant. I have the table covered.

Player A is UTG and opens for $25. Player B in UTG+1 calls, Player C calls. I'm on the button and call with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Player A bets $125, Player B calls, Player C folds and I push.
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Old 02-01-2005, 01:02 PM
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Default Re: Right place for this move?

Yeah I like it. Player A probably has an overpair. He should probably be able to lay this down (unless he correctly reads you for a semi-bluff). You said player B is a station so I wouldn't be surprised if he had a draw or TPGK.
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Old 02-01-2005, 06:03 PM
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Default Re: Right place for this move?

Wouldn't it be correct for the other guy to call you with an overpair (not knowing what that he had A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]).
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Old 02-01-2005, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: Right place for this move?

It would, however, that is the point of a semi-bluff, to push him off a better hand.
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Old 02-01-2005, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: Right place for this move?

That's what I'm saying, it wouldn't push him off, but the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is a favorite so I'm not arguing that. I just don't see how you think it's right for the other guy to fold with only $250 left to call when there is $550 currently in the pot for him to win.
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Old 02-01-2005, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: Right place for this move?

With potentially 15 outs (3 aces, 4 nines, 8 spades) - you're better than 50% to hit by the river if you get called, making this a no-brainer push in my mind.
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Old 02-01-2005, 06:13 PM
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Default Re: Right place for this move?

Get all of your money in on the flop. If a spade hits, it kills your action, if a straight card hits (I forget which one it is), it kills your action, if an ace hits, KK and QQ (and other overpairs) will likely fold.
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Old 02-01-2005, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: Right place for this move?

Thanks for the comments. I thought this was a pretty easy push, but it is alwasy good to get a reality check.

In the acutal event, both players called, to my delight. Player A showed KK, Player B showed JTo. Unfortunately, the turn and river were bricks and nobody improved. KK took down pretty big pot.
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Old 02-01-2005, 09:38 PM
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Default Re: Right place for this move?

a dream situation:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=745403
pokenum -h as 7s - kc kh - js td -- ts 8s 6c
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing Ts 8s 6c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 7s 458 50.72 445 49.28 0 0.00 0.507
Kc Kh 299 33.11 604 66.89 0 0.00 0.331
Js Td 146 16.17 757 83.83 0 0.00 0.162

your pot equity when both call is a bit over 600, so you are making guaranteed profit in terms of EV not to mention the folding equity. this is an easy push, especially since the stacks aren't TOO deep.
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Old 02-01-2005, 10:00 PM
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Default Re: Right place for this move?

You hit the perfect flop for that move, but in general I think youre going to lose alot of money calling that preflop raise with A7s
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