Two 3-flush hands I didn't like

[blumpkin22]

Hand 1: Seat 3 is solid, Seat 8 is a fish.

Hand 2: previously in the session I limp reraised with rolled 555. Seats 5 and 7 are both mediocre but thinking players.

7 Card Stud High ($20/$40), Ante $2, Bring-In $5 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.60 SB)

Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___completes___calls
Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___raises

4th Street - (9.85 SB)

Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (6.43 BB)

Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (9.43 BB)

Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___folds
Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___raises
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls

River - (14.43 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___calls

Total pot: (16.43 BB)

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7 Card Stud High ($20/$40), Ante $2, Bring-In $5 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___raises
Seat 3: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___completes___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (6.95 SB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (4.98 BB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (7.98 BB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

River - (9.98 BB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___?

[preiserone]

I change nothing,
Hand 1 you've got to be drawing to a 2 out at best on 6th, nothing you can do about that.
Hand 2 there isn't really a spot where you should be backing off, you have to try the river bluff.

On hand 1, I'm folding 3rd after the 2 re-raises. Getting raised by an over card while you're on a 3 flush doesn't seem like a good spot to me. Even if seat 8 is a fish, I'd be worried about rolled 7s. I'd fold and wait for an other hand.

[blumpkin22]

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Even if seat 8 is a fish, I'd be worried about rolled 7s.

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No reason to fear rolled 7s here. But that doesn't mean the call on 3rd is necessarily best.

[benwood]

Betting out on 4th is the standard play with a four flush,so when you bet out on 5th,your deception is not too strong.This line propels you right into the 6th st.& river bets.I think I would have played it the same way,butI wonder what would have happened if you ad checked 4th?This may have been the more deceptive play,but I don't know whether it's a good play or not.

[blumpkin22]

In my opinion the way I played third street mandates a bet on fourth street, especially since I caught a good card.

[benwood]

Yea,I'm not saying you played it wrong,because I think you played it right.

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No reason to fear rolled 7s here.

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Why not?

[benwood]

I just now realized that you raised 3rd on this first hand.You're right .Not betting 4th is out of the question in this case.Jeez,it seems like I'm always misreading the problem on your hands.

[blumpkin22]

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No reason to fear rolled 7s here.

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Why not?

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The guy is an idiot. And I was almost positive he would slowplay rolled up trips. It was pretty clear his most likely hand was a big pair in the hole, or even something like (A7)7.