At what point do I get away from this non-nut flush draw?

bobbyi · #1 08-10-2005, 01:06 AM

I'm pretty new to the table. I don't know anything about SB. From the chat, I gather than BB (note his stack size) may be goofing around a bit and playing bad hands and making a few moves, but I haven't observed anything ridiculous.

Party Poker $25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed)

BB ($139.38)
UTG ($36.08)
Hero ($25)
SB ($11.14)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60.

Flop: ($2.55) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $0.75, BB raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, SB raises to $6, BB calls $4.50, Hero calls $4.50.

Turn: ($20.55) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $4.29 (All-In), BB calls $4.29, Hero calls $4.29.

River: ($33.42) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10.

Final Pot: $53.42

erc007 · #2 08-10-2005, 01:32 AM

I think that your flop call is fine, with any flush draw (w/2 cards to come) you only need to be getting 2 to 1 from the pot. The turn card is scary b/c it fills an open ended straight draw (78 hole cards.) Nevertheless, you are getting great odds on your draw (6 to 1) from the pot. If you didn't have position this would be a really hard call, but you do, and you are getting 6 to 1, when you only need 4 to 1 (9 outs) to break-even. Even if one other player was drawing to a flush, you're still getting the right price to draw to 7 outs.
If you put either player on a set, that takes away two of your outs, but the price is still right. I can't see folding this draw on the turn.
The river is a questionable call IMO. You are calling a $10 bet to chop, and in that case, you are not getting the right odds. Instead of the 4 to 1 that you would be getting to win, your actual pot odds are only 2 to 1. I think that the board might not be good here 33% of the time.

bobbyi · #3 08-10-2005, 01:46 AM

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Even if one other player was drawing to a flush, you're still getting the right price to draw to 7 outs.

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I don't necessarily have 7 outs because one of them may have a bigger flush draw. AXs and KXs are the kinds of hands that might have called from the blinds.

swolfe · #4 08-10-2005, 03:05 PM

on the flop, i'd either fold or semi-bluff reraise. call-call-call is too obvious and you may not get paid off if you hit.

with a bet and a raise, i'd normally fold a non-nut flush draw, but you have some extra bluff equity because of your preflop raise. i think making it $4 to go on the flop would be a good play. if SB re-reraises, then you basically have to evaluate your odds for hitting on the next card.