royal draw - 100NL

[unlucky513]

party 100NL 6 max, 6 handed

i have been playing LAG, using position and bullying the table. i havent shown many hands. CO is new to the table, UTG is 62/6 after about 150 hands.

me (button) - $286
CO - $70
UTG - $150

UTG calls, fold, CO calls, i rase to $4 with JsQs, blinds fold, UTG & CO call.

flop ~$14 Ts 8c Ks
both check, i bet $10, both call

turn~$45 Jc
UTG checks, CO bets $50, i.... ???

i'm confused here. if i call, i have to worry about UTG coming along too. should i push to get UTG out of the hand? (CO has $5 left after his turn bet) should i consider folding?

[gulebjorn]

I'd raise more PF after two limpers and bet more on the flop. I push this turn.

[mosuavea]

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I'd raise more PF after two limpers and bet more on the flop. I push this turn.

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I agree that the PFR needs to be ~$6. Why push this turn though?

[FlyingStart]

You are on a draw, why would you want UTG to fold?

[unlucky513]

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You are on a draw, why would you want UTG to fold?

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because i don't want to play a 3-way pot with just a draw... especially after that nasty turn card.

[DoomSlice]

So you'd rather play a 2-way pot with just a draw? Doesn't make sense.

[troymclur]

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So you'd rather play a 2-way pot with just a draw? Doesn't make sense.

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The hand is worth fifty dollars to see a flop given your monster draw. You still could have outs against the CO for two pair, along with your straight and flush draws. Against the UTG, your flush draws are now a possible danger, so you want him out.

Since CO only has five bucks left you only have to worry about playing past the fifty bucks with one player, UTG. And a push, given his check, could very well push him out, especially so since its a very strong re-raise in front of strong aggression from CO.

I agree. Push the turn. But you should have bet more on the flop.

[ericlambi]

You are not going to win this pot unless you improve, in which case you are going to win regardless of whether UTG comes or not (discounting the idea that UTG has nut or K-high flush draw, which seems somewhat unlikely, but possible). You want as much money in the post as possible to make the draw more correct.

In reality, chances are low UTG has anything worth calling this anyway. In terms of EV, probably doesn't matter whether you call or fold here since CO is out of money. I don't care for a push though.

[gulebjorn]

Push the turn to get UTG out. He called on the flop, so he's got something. You want him to fold because he could be drawing to the nut flush draw, so if you make your flush on the river, you're in trouble. If he's got trips and the board pairs on the river with a J or 8s, you're in trouble. If he's got some kind of ace and a queen falls, you're in trouble. He could have something like KcQc, so Ac on the river would get you in trouble...

A lot of stuff he's calling with could get you in trouble. So you want him to fold.

[mosuavea]

I agree you want UTg out of the hand but what about CO? You arent folding him and he obviosuly likes his hand. He may already have the straight which means you quite possibly could be chopping if that comes in so you are basically drawing to the flush. I think I am dumping this without a read