um, QQ fold preflop?

[davidross]

I fold here almost everytime. I call a push, but it'salmost always AA or KK going part way here. It's not a bunch of limpers being raised, it'san utg raise and a bunch of callers. I'd be shocked if a bluffer or AK didn't push here.

If I'm wrong I'm out 60 chips at a table with a bunch of players willing to mix it up and I like my chances of getting the chips anyway.

[FishInAPhoneBooth]

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I fold here almost everytime. I call a push, but it'salmost always AA or KK going part way here. It's not a bunch of limpers being raised, it'san utg raise and a bunch of callers. I'd be shocked if a bluffer or AK didn't push here.

If I'm wrong I'm out 60 chips at a table with a bunch of players willing to mix it up and I like my chances of getting the chips anyway.

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I am slightly confused by your reasoning. Is the issue you think this edge is to small to be pushed or do you feel you have no edge because of the action?

[davidross]

I'm saying I fold because I believe more than half the time I'm going to see AA or KK (and I believe it's more like 75% of the time in these events) based on the betting he described. If I have some other read on the guy I might play it different, but I really think QQ is toast here.

As an aside, I am much more risk averse than most other posters, so bear that in mind. If I knew he had AK, I'd still hate pushing but would probably do it. I don't play a big stack all that well, so surviving is more important to me early. I usually get a better than 53% chance of doubling by flopping a set or 2 pair and getting callers, so I'm much more willing to pass the early chances.

wait, you'd be SHOCKED if AK didn't push for like 8x the pot instead of a reraise?

[davidross]

I'm saying in my experience that AK is WAY more likely to push here than raise to 600. THe halfway raise is almost always AA, wheras the pure bluffs overbet most of the time.